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Old 06-24-2021, 12:51 PM #43
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Old 06-24-2021, 01:16 PM #44
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Old 06-24-2021, 01:24 PM #45
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Old 06-24-2021, 01:25 PM #46
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I feel like I am in the minority here but I from what I can tell.. The field really doesn't seem that bad? I'm sitting out this event (first time in years) because work needs my focus but the pictures I am seeing just reminds me of my old local field. Hard ground with either dirt or rocks to land on. We react to that by not slamming our bodies down or simply having the right padding. The Carbon stuff is great for this type of situation but also adjust your style. Maybe play the pocket or back bunkers until you can get a kill and comfortably move?? No team has an advantage over another here. I too love to play on Turf.. I think we all do. But is the dirt on the field worth all this hype? Maybe it's just me... idk. I'm not there so I could be wrong.

Also NXL in my opinion had 1 or 2 really great events. Water stations, HUGE pits, etc. When they came back it was quite nice!! Slowly over the years the venue just hasn't been what I thought it would be.. Which is everything the PSP wasn't.

I think we can all agree that our money is not exactly giving us the experience we are paying for. On average with no help it costs anywhere between $1000-$1600 to play a national event depending on how far you go, size of the roster, etc. Is the NXL helping assure we are having a $1000-$1600 experience? I can think of a lot of stuff I could do with that time and money but I choose to spend it on the NXL because it's the ONLY national level series around right now.. Right?

Personally I would like to see them focus on proper training for their referees if they're going to charge that much for entry. I understand the other team has the same ref's but when I am 30ft off the net and watch multiple missed calls when they're two refs between that player, the net, other spectators, and myself... Kinda frustrating.

IDK how much blame Tom Cole has to accept for this vs just making it right. Blaming anyone won't solve anything.. Just make it right. Look at what your customers are saying and adjust to correct what is not working.

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Old 06-24-2021, 01:37 PM #47
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That is not quite how it works. In the space I work in we do not pay NBCSN to put our show/events on TV they pay us and our sponsors Pay us to sponsor our events. We produce our show like most people do.

(I work for one of most broadcast live broadcast events on NBC, we were the last on the air during covid and the first back on)
This is the internet. Get lost with your facts and first hand knowledge. We only have room for speculation around here.
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Old 06-24-2021, 01:39 PM #48
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They changed the venue from a soccer complex to a unused field without telling anyone.

On facebook the address that was provided on May 5th when they announced registration was open was 560 Royersford Rd. Now it shows 547 Royersford Rd. No announcement was made atleast through the social media posts I looked through.
Ye old bait-n-switch. If you go to the NXL site now, then go to the Mid-Atlantic event page, then click the directions button, it still takes you to 560 Royersford Rd....which is the soccer field. The surprise venue change would be the foundation of my complaint to the NXL to request at least a partial refund. Since part of the entry fee has always been said to be used to cover the cost of the venue, and Tom himself said that the new location was "supplied" by the county for long term use by the NXL, I'm guessing a free deal was brokered and that the venue fees just went directly into someones pocket.

Really though, the fields don't look bad at all.
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Would it help if they turned the dirt, into mud? Might bring injuries down from 100, to only 20
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Got to figure out who's going to pony up the advertising dollars to get it on TV. Like cornhole has Johnsonville Brats I think that picks up the bulk of the sponsorship money that buys their spot on ESPN. Paintball needs the same thing. Outside of the 4 major sports ESPN is getting paid by those other sports to get on tv. I mean Formula 1 has Mothers Polish pay to broadcast the biggest motorsport on the planet because they can't sell enough ads otherwise to make money on it.
F1 had other sponsors on ESPN, but the fans complained after one race that stuff was missed due to commercials so Mother's stepped up and paid enough to go commercial free.

The huge difference here is that ESPN has very little money into F1 because the sport provides the in-race images and they pay SKY Sports for re-broadcasting their commentators and track side content.
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F1 had other sponsors on ESPN, but the fans complained after one race that stuff was missed due to commercials so Mother's stepped up and paid enough to go commercial free.

The huge difference here is that ESPN has very little money into F1 because the sport provides the in-race images and they pay SKY Sports for re-broadcasting their commentators and track side content.
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Saying sorry does nothing.

If I steal your wallet and say sorry, will you feel better?

NXL is ***. Their bunker sets have been garbage from the inception and they continue to just be a worse PSP.

Paintball has zero chance of ever getting on TV when you can't even move the damn cameras around the ****ing 7 man bunkers and don't allow any time for instant replay to at least show cool eliminations (hint: try true xball).

They need to drop like 8 pro teams as they have next to zero chance of winning anyways and are just forcing split deck.

The prizes are also a joke. I don't understand why any divisional player would even bother over just spending that money on practice/local tournies/clinics until they can go pro. You're really paying for a shot at glory and the experience and that's it.
Paintball has been and was on TV for years. ESPN, Fox Sports, Spike TV.... there's not a shred of tangible evidence that any of it helped the game grow. Yes, it's nice to watch the game we love on TV, but the experience for the average viewer will never meet mainstream sports (or even secondary sports).

I'm in no way defending the quality of the grass/playing fields in Philly but I think it's admirable that an apology from the league president was made... probably the first time in history a major tournament promoter has ever apologized for anything publicly.

I've been to all but one NXL event since the league formed and I've been to every PSP and NPPL event dating back to 1993 but for 3 events in 28 years. I'm glad there's an awareness from the league for what is happening in Philly. Trashing what the league has done the past 4-5 years makes no sense to me. I'll take the NXL's past 5 year history over any other 5 year period in tournament history ever.

I'm guessing those that play the game at that level would by and large agree with me. Pre Covid the NXL was not just breaking team attendance numbers, they were crushing them--even in a time when less people are playing the game and the overall size of the game about half of what it was 15 years ago.

Just my 2 cents...
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Old 06-24-2021, 04:23 PM #53
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Just so we are clear, are you trying to compare sliding in a manicured dirt line, to sliding in a messed up field that looks like it has crop lines? Dont do that.

And lets be real, players/teams are paying thousands of dollars to play this event. They deserve better, this is pathetic. There are other places within 5 miles of the location the event is at, that they could have worked something out to host the event. NXL wants to continue with this location because they want or have an agreement for future events.
You haven't been to many baseball fields have you? I played high school baseball with a rock infield, not ball rock, crushed limestone rock. If I was lucky I got two weeks out of a pair of baseball pants so we practiced in jeans most of the time.

That being said the NXL blew it with this one. For a league that claims to be the top level in the country this is just embarrassing.
I didn’t grow up in the ghetto so our baseball fields were close to 50% clay/silt 50% sand. The nice ones even had grass around the pitchers mound and sand near the bases.
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Saying sorry does nothing.

If I steal your wallet and say sorry, will you feel better?

NXL is ***. Their bunker sets have been garbage from the inception and they continue to just be a worse PSP.

Paintball has zero chance of ever getting on TV when you can't even move the damn cameras around the ****ing 7 man bunkers and don't allow any time for instant replay to at least show cool eliminations (hint: try true xball).

They need to drop like 8 pro teams as they have next to zero chance of winning anyways and are just forcing split deck.

The prizes are also a joke. I don't understand why any divisional player would even bother over just spending that money on practice/local tournies/clinics until they can go pro. You're really paying for a shot at glory and the experience and that's it.
Paintball has been and was on TV for years. ESPN, Fox Sports, Spike TV.... there's not a shred of tangible evidence that any of it helped the game grow. Yes, it's nice to watch the game we love on TV, but the experience for the average viewer will never meet mainstream sports (or even secondary sports).

I'm in no way defending the quality of the grass/playing fields in Philly but I think it's admirable that an apology from the league president was made... probably the first time in history a major tournament promoter has ever apologized for anything publicly.

I've been to all but one NXL event since the league formed and I've been to every PSP and NPPL event dating back to 1993 but for 3 events in 28 years. I'm glad there's an awareness from the league for what is happening in Philly. Trashing what the league has done the past 4-5 years makes no sense to me. I'll take the NXL's past 5 year history over any other 5 year period in tournament history ever.

I'm guessing those that play the game at that level would by and large agree with me. Pre Covid the NXL was not just breaking team attendance numbers, they were crushing them--even in a time when less people are playing the game and the overall size of the game about half of what it was 15 years ago.

Just my 2 cents...
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Watch the top .5% run points back to back just isn’t super interesting in today’s format for myself and apparently others hence why it’s no longer on espn. And I think Disney and espn are hurting for content too.
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One could argue that some mainstream sports (soccer, baseball, golf, etc.) aren't great for spectating unless you know or are invested in said sport. The same can be said for paintball. For me, it largely comes down to one question: is it accessible? As in, can said sport be practiced and played at a low cost? The most popular sports can be played with not much more than a ball (or even something resembling a ball). That will never be the case for paintball or any extreme sport for that matter. I haven't done any other extreme sport, but I can't imagine they would be more expensive than paintball. I love paintball, but it's not a sport for the masses.

Having said that, the players/owners that compete in the NXL understand that they won't get much return on their investment if any at all. This is an overused statement, but they play for the love of the game. It would be impossible to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars a year practicing and competing otherwise. They deserve better than playing a national event whose playing surface looks like that. The NPPL had turf at almost every event. Their downfall was simply that paintball could not sustain two formats anymore and they were the less popular of the two. Although, 7-man on turf sounds good right about now. The NXL should at least explore that for consistency's sake.
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One could argue that some mainstream sports (soccer, baseball, golf, etc.) aren't great for spectating unless you know or are invested in said sport. The same can be said for paintball. For me, it largely comes down to one question: is it accessible? As in, can said sport be practiced and played at a low cost? The most popular sports can be played with not much more than a ball (or even something resembling a ball). That will never be the case for paintball or any extreme sport for that matter. I haven't done any other extreme sport, but I can't imagine they would be more expensive than paintball. I love paintball, but it's not a sport for the masses.

Having said that, the players/owners that compete in the NXL understand that they won't get much return on their investment if any at all. This is an overused statement, but they play for the love of the game. It would be impossible to justify spending tens of thousands of dollars a year practicing and competing otherwise. They deserve better than playing a national event whose playing surface looks like that. The NPPL had turf at almost every event. Their downfall was simply that paintball could not sustain two formats anymore and they were the less popular of the two. Although, 7-man on turf sounds good right about now. The NXL should at least explore that for consistency's sake.
I donít know about where you live but if Iím a renter I can play for the same price as a round of golf at a city course and unlike golf I donít need anything the field provides it. If I want to buy some gear unless Iím going and buying brand new top of the line stuff I can spend about what a set of golf clubs costs. Thereís a whole bunch of people playing golf and the cost doesnít scare them away. Sure it can be really expensive if you want to get really competitive with it but for the casual player it doesnít have to be that bad.
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Saw a short clip of TB Damage playing today on that field, and seems like a case of things looking worse then it really is. The way they were playing the field conditions seemed like a non issue, and I totally forgot that the conditions were less then ideal. So that’s a good sign I guess. Wish all the athletes at the event good luck and stay injury free!
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Saw a short clip of TB Damage playing today on that field, and seems like a case of things looking worse then it really is. The way they were playing the field conditions seemed like a non issue, and I totally forgot that the conditions were less then ideal. So that’s a good sign I guess. Wish all the athletes at the event good luck and stay injury free!
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Agreed specially when there's people ready to crucify anything

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Paintball has been and was on TV for years. ESPN, Fox Sports, Spike TV.... there's not a shred of tangible evidence that any of it helped the game grow. Yes, it's nice to watch the game we love on TV, but the experience for the average viewer will never meet mainstream sports (or even secondary sports).

I'm in no way defending the quality of the grass/playing fields in Philly but I think it's admirable that an apology from the league president was made... probably the first time in history a major tournament promoter has ever apologized for anything publicly.

I've been to all but one NXL event since the league formed and I've been to every PSP and NPPL event dating back to 1993 but for 3 events in 28 years. I'm glad there's an awareness from the league for what is happening in Philly. Trashing what the league has done the past 4-5 years makes no sense to me. I'll take the NXL's past 5 year history over any other 5 year period in tournament history ever.

I'm guessing those that play the game at that level would by and large agree with me. Pre Covid the NXL was not just breaking team attendance numbers, they were crushing them--even in a time when less people are playing the game and the overall size of the game about half of what it was 15 years ago.

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The same people who *****ed and moaned about PSP and NPPL are the same ones complaining now. No one is ever happy with anything. I've said it before and I will say it again. If people think they can do better and it is so easy to run something of this size, then go do it. Fix everything you complain about and make the perfect league. I'll be waiting for the call that you need help with insurance in the mean time
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I am watching the webcast right now and there is NOTHING wrong/unsafe about the Pro field. Whatever "Pro" complained about that is a wuss

Can't speak for the other fields of course.

3 pages of whining over a non issue.
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I am watching the webcast right now and there is NOTHING wrong/unsafe about the Pro field. Whatever "Pro" complained about that is a wuss

Can't speak for the other fields of course.

3 pages of whining over a non issue.
Damien apparently just wanted some attention. Looks playable to me.

It could be a lot worse. I didn't make the trip but some of my team is up by Chicago for a 5 man mech tournament tomorrow and it looks like they'll be playing in a monsoon.
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