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Old 02-11-2020, 04:28 PM #1
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anyone remember Empire RF hoppers?

so back in the day (2008) when i was getting into the sport heavy, the big talk was the empire "halo" series hoppers. they could feed insane bps rates and were fairly reliable. then came the empire "magna drive" which used a bunch of magnets and a metal plate as a sort of clutch system to prevent ball breakage and jamming. one of the key features that sold me on the magna drive was the fact it had a "RF" chip you could plug into your guns board and it would send a signal to the loader every time the solenoid was activated via trigger. these things fed up to a crazy number of 50bps or something like that.
fast forward to present day as im attempting to come back to the sport and its almost like the halos and magna drive never even existed? im assuming that lowering the ROF cap was part of this issue but to not have any tech that comes close to that since all the modern hoppers still used sound/vibration boards to feed is odd to me. seems like the RF tech has come and gone although it still works flawlessly (i just fired up all my old equipment)

anyone have any insight?
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:13 PM #2
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Well as far as I know it was the Draxxus Pulse that first had R/F technology, but good luck finding those, I still have one and they are really cool. Then the first hopper that Empire had, that came with R/F stock was the Magna. They continued it through the Prophecies as well, expect for the Z2, Im not sure if the Z2 had R/F.

I think the reason R/F faded out was 1 the sport has downsized tremendously so there isn't as much money in these niche technologies. People I think were never all that keen on installing the R/F chips in their markers, not that it was hard. I wish more companies would have done what Hater did with their Hater Boards, where if you had the marker board, you could get the upgrade board for your Halo and it would automatically R/F together. Then there is that fact no one cares about ROF anymore apparently.

R/F is still king to any other kind of hopper activation, it can provide the highest rates of fire too. I think where it would still be useful is in semi-auto play. With semi-auto play you can get real inconsistent streams of paint and I think that's where R/F shines. Try doing a burst with a Spire 3 (one of the top of the line hoppers these days) and a Prophecy or Pulse with R/F; its a night and day difference.

There is the Rotor that can pretty much do 50BPS on its own, but I would still take R/F if I had the option. R/F just has the ability to get the hopper moving before the marker is even done cycling therefore always granting that the next ball will always be ready for the next shot.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:19 PM #3
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exactly!! the RF chip was way more efficient, easier on paint and it could actually keep up with high rates of fire. i loved the force feed system and how it was always one step ahead of the gun vs being a step behind like the moderns ones are. they are especially annoying when you are running across the field and all you can hear is the hopper going nuts thinking its supposed to feed because it hears noise/senses movement. you would think that with the tech out there today like color led/O-led and guns that literally talk to you that some sort of RF/bluetooth tech would be standard equipment. especially since the newer hoppers are using old tech to feed slower rates but somehow they cost more than the older models that were jam packed with innovation and tech not to mention they could handle high ROF and consistent bursts
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:39 AM #4
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The Spires are not force-fed and are trash in my opinion, I’m not sure how people like them considering that they are loud and inconsistent in feeding, not to mention that they can’t feed over 13 BPS consistently.

The better force-fed modern Loaders are (IMO) the Dye LTR and HK Army TFX 2.

Those old Loaders are ok but they are more bulky, harder to take apart, and lack some of the features that the newer Loaders have.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:45 AM #5
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The Spires are not force-fed and are trash in my opinion, Iím not sure how people like them considering that they are loud and inconsistent in feeding, not to mention that they canít feed over 13 BPS consistently.

The better force-fed modern Loaders are (IMO) the Dye LTR and HK Army TFX 2.

Those old Loaders are ok but they are more bulky, harder to take apart, and lack some of the features that the newer Loaders have.
Speaking of force fed I still have my torque. lol

But i all seriousness I had the empire hopper (or board can't remember exactly) that was sound activated. That thing would always feed, never jam and could easily keep up with any bps.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:57 PM #6
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rf/bt was a means of triggering the feed system. RF was faster in responding and had almost 0 delay, where bt has a slight dealy. i still believe this was superior to an flex sensor, bb eyes, stack tension metering, sound sensor, g force senor. it meant when i shoot i feed. old loaders from the bps arms race days were very very fast. i had an old moded vlo jr that was just berserk. it would feed paint into a marker shooting 32bps flawlessly. BUT all those loaders would crush paint in the stack.

If we everyone on board with rf as the low power communication to the loader and bt to be able to adjust the settings that would be the next level in my eyes. combined with the newer soft touch loaders like the spire's, vsl, tfx2.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:06 PM #7
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Yeah,

Most Marker manufacturers have Bluetooth in their respective High-end markers but don’t really have anything to use it with (except expensive Googles and “HUDs”).

I’m surprised that they don’t include RF Marker to Loader programming. I guess maybe because it’s “old” and not many Loaders use it?

It should be easy for Dye since they already have all of the pieces. Although the Marker doesn’t come with Bluetooth, it’s the I5 Evoke system that comes with a Chip you plug into your Board...

Seems to me like it would be better to have the Loader activate by trigger pull?

Perhaps the Tension was just too high Paul77?
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Old 02-14-2020, 06:06 AM #8
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Right that's what gets me. The markers out there today already have wireless technology in them, why cant they get the marker to work with the loader. Like mentioned above its not just a BPS/ROF thing, its also technically better on paint too, because the loader isn't activating unless the marker is being shot. "We have the technology".
Dye especially,they have a good hopper and marker already.

If you want a loader with R/F I just looked it up the Z2 can use R/F but I think you have to buy a chip for the loader too, unlike the previous Prophecies. Personally my favorite loader to date is the Prophecy LTD, has all the ease of the newer loaders, with the technology and charm of the older ones. I still see them or the regular Prophecies in the B/S/T every once in a while.

Charlie, I recently (a few months ago) picked up a Spire3 280 to see what all the buzz is about. You hit it on the head I have been disappointed with this loader, and I cant imagine how people could justify sinking 200+ bucks into those things. It does have a bunch of things I like about it, but when I want to play semi or anything higher than 10.2 BPS, its basically useless. Which is insane not just because of the price, but have you seen the motors in those things? It easily has the biggest motor I have even seen in a hopper, its like double the size of a Halo motor.

You know this question reminds of something I was thinking about bringing up in the mask forum. Does anybody remember those I think it was JT Proteus? Built in communicator anyone?
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:23 AM #9
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You know this question reminds of something I was thinking about bringing up in the mask forum. Does anybody remember those I think it was JT Proteus? Built in communicator anyone?
ohh please do, i had one and it was ugly.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:35 AM #10
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ohh please do, i had one and it was ugly.
Did you have the walkie talkie thing for it? O DO TELL.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:06 PM #11
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Did you have the walkie talkie thing for it? O DO TELL.
no just the regular metalic grey one, it was so ugly, had to get rid of it so no one saw me.
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