[xboxdave13]

Originally Posted by nathan091

This will not catch on.

oh well thanks for clearing that up for us...

[UKPB Review]

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

oh well thanks for clearing that up for us...

Yes nicely said!

[insixdays777]

Fail. Paintball 2.0 = paintballers having to pay $2000.00 for new gear to shoot 50cal.

No thanks.

[Exalt Ed]

Lets look at the numbers...

Fill
The approx fill volume of material in a 68 cal paintball = .165 cubic inches
The approx fill volume of material in a 50 cal paintball = .065 cubic inches
* this ignores the thickness of the shell.
Therefore with the same fill material volume needed to make 1 68 cal paintball you could make 2.5 50 cal paintballs.

Shell
The approx shell surface area on a 68 cal paintball = 1.45 in2
The approx shell surface area on a 50 cal paintball = .785 in2
* this assumes that the shell thickness will be the same in the 50 cal paintballs (which it will likely be thinner to promote easier breaking on impact)
Therefore the 50 cal paintball will need just under half the amount of shell material(based on surface area) that the current 68 cal needs.

Shipping Volume
Right now we use boxes approx 13x9x7 = 819 in3 volume
68 cal = .165in3
50 cal = .065in3
Right now 2000 paintballs are put in the boxes = 40% packing efficiency by volume.
* This 40% is limited to spheres packing efficiency (approx 70% efficiency at best) plus the bags, and inner supports to prevent the balls from being crushed when the boxes are stacked on skids.
Therefore assuming that this 40% efficiency continued with the 50 cal paintballs the result in a standard box would be approximatly 5000 paintballs in the same box dimensions.

Mass difference is unknown as there will likely be large changes to the fill density

*note, this is a very.... rude calculation as it shipping mass, other manufacturing steps etc. Therefore its only the tip of the iceberg....

[xboxdave13]

Originally Posted by insixdays777

Fail. Paintball 2.0 = paintballers having to pay $2000.00 for new gear to shoot 50cal.

No thanks.

and another expert...appriciate you throwing out calculated and exact figures for us to compare side by side.







bet your the same guy that said paintball would die after the first PSP event played at 10bps...

[xboxdave13]

Originally Posted by Exalt Ed

Lets look at the numbers...

The approx volume of material in a 68 cal paintball = .165 cubic inches
The approx volume of material in a 50 cal paintball = .065 cubic inches

Therefore with the same material volume needed to make 1 68 cal paintball you could make 2.5 50 cal paintballs.

*note, this is a very.... rude calculation as it ignores the shell surface area difference, the difference in shipping mass and volume etc. Therefore its only the tip of the iceberg....

so what your saying is that potentially 5-6000 per case. for the same price as 2000...

terrible idea, mega fail...

[PBballa8536]

Originally Posted by Exalt Ed

Lets look at the numbers...

The approx volume of material in a 68 cal paintball = .165 cubic inches
The approx volume of material in a 50 cal paintball = .065 cubic inches

Therefore with the same material volume needed to make 1 68 cal paintball you could make 2.5 50 cal paintballs.

*note, this is a very.... rude calculation as it ignores the shell surface area difference, the difference in shipping mass and volume etc. Therefore its only the tip of the iceberg....

less than half the paint inside of one of these 50 cal paintballs, wouldn't that make these extremely hard to tell if someone was hit in alot of cases?

[insixdays777]

Numbers as I see it:

My Bob long Vice, yakuza board, 4eyes : now worthless, in the red 600.00
My closer, stock: Worthless, in the red 500
My Cyborg: worthless, in the red 300

2 barrel kits: Worthless, in the red 200.00
My prophecy and rotor: worthless, in the red 300.00

Right out of the gate I am 2000.00 in the hole, gone, worthless, nice shiny wall hangers.

Oh wait I still want to play paintball...gota buy

Smartparts new 50cal marker 800.00
Hopper 100.00
barrel kit 100.00

Cant afford a 50cal back up gun.

Thanks paintball 2.0. you just cost me :

$3000.00!!!!!!!!

[Simon]

What velocity are they intending to shoot these at?

[insixdays777]

Wont field owners have to buy different/more expansive insurance policies? My understanding is that currently they only allow play with .68 cal? yes?

[xboxdave13]

Originally Posted by insixdays777

Numbers as I see it:

My Bob long Vice, yakuza board, 4eyes : now worthless, in the red 600.00
My closer, stock: Worthless, in the red 500
My Cyborg: worthless, in the red 300

2 barrel kits: Worthless, in the red 200.00
My prophecy and rotor: worthless, in the red 300.00

Right out of the gate I am 2000.00 in the hole, gone, worthless, nice shiny wall hangers.

Oh wait I still want to play paintball...gota buy

Smartparts new 50cal marker 800.00
Hopper 100.00
barrel kit 100.00

Cant afford a 50cal back up gun.

Thanks paintball 2.0. you just cost me :

$3000.00!!!!!!!!

worst case scenario then yes, your absolutely correct. BUT assuming the plan wasn't to change tomarrow and outlaw any equipment previously outfitted for .68cal.... perhaps you could modify current markers (body, feedneck, bolt, etc.) for minimal cost to shoot paint at potentially 1/3 the price per shot...

[UKPB Review]

tippmann 98 custom, gotta be one of the most popular and successful rental markers, sites world wide would be hit massively??? this surely has to be too big a jump to make it plausible

[warbeak2099]

Yea I really can't see it ever being a total change. They would always have to allow .68 cal paint and markers. The retrofit necessary to change guns over would be beyond what a lot of you are thinking. And if you've got a tough .68 cal gun (or guns) that's going to last a long time, you're not going to want a slow phase out. You're going to want to be able to use your 68. cal guns indefinitely.

This is just another attempt by SP to try and monopolize the market. They'll patent the use of .50 cal paintball markers and force you to buy their guns in order to play the new format. I know I know, .50 cal paintball markers have already been done, but the fact that a product has already existed has never stopped SP from patenting it before. I can just see them patenting the retrofits required to bring .68 cal guns up to date too.

Basically, this switch is not in the best interests of the consumer. The issue will be SP's involvement in this as well as the fact that a ball with that much less fill will cause ridiculous amounts of confusion about hits and splatter. It already takes a good ref to tell (people really take it for granted how great these guys running tournies are) and after this change, it would just be harder on refs and more frustrating for players. The idea has its merits, but the cons outweigh the pros. I hope it never sees the light of day.

[dragon madness]

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

oh well thanks for clearing that up for us...

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

and another expert...appriciate you throwing out calculated and exact figures for us to compare side by side.







bet your the same guy that said paintball would die after the first PSP event played at 10bps...

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

so what your saying is that potentially 5-6000 per case. for the same price as 2000...

terrible idea, mega fail...

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

worst case scenario then yes, your absolutely correct. BUT assuming the plan wasn't to change tomarrow and outlaw any equipment previously outfitted for .68cal.... perhaps you could modify current markers (body, feedneck, bolt, etc.) for minimal cost to shoot paint at potentially 1/3 the price per shot...

OMG your first post without a sign




no really though...

[n_angeli]

Originally Posted by Castro #66

if I'm forced to lose my .68 caliber guns at any point without something good enough to replace them, I'll likely be done with the sport.

My sentiments exactly.

[xboxdave13]

Originally Posted by dragon madness

OMG your first post without a sign




no really though...

haha i lol'd.

[pbman657v.2]

i woudnt really see a need to completely buy new bolts/barrels/etc. anyone here remember that barrel kit to shoot standard 6mm airsoft pellets? same concept here except the barrel would have a built in feeneck to accept standard hoppers instead of a long stick.

[ollytheosteo]

'it means a more accurate flight path, it means it shoots further and all this with the same marking characteristics as the original 68 caliber balls.'

Er, really?

More accurate? Or just a flatter trajectory? Shoots further and breaks? At 300fps? And the same marking characteristics with a third the actual paint?

Proof please, as this all sounds a bit familiar in tone;



The followthrough of gas causes the paintball to travel straighter for longer distances, stabilises the spin on the ball and causes the paintball to break on the target more easily.

I suppose nothing changes, but hype is cheap so show us your balls please

[Castro #66]

Feels like some of you guys are neglecting the fact that this will take YEARS to replace .68 caliber paint and gear completely. As long as they make .68, there will be a market for it... I doubt the improvements based on the .50 caliber design alone will not convince everyone to make the switch so quickly as to leave all your current gear in the closet.

[lab79rat]

Still undecided on whether or not this is a good idea or not... Interesting, yes, but that's about as far speculation will allow at this point.

As for everyone who's worried that they won't be shooting .68 cal next month, I think you have very, very little to worry about. Remember, there's a little thing called supply and demand... people are going to want to buy .68 cal paintballs for quite a while (at least a decade) so someone will be willing to make them.

Don't forget about what happened in the late 1990's when HPA came onto the scene... everyone who still used CO2 started to worry about where they would be able to get fills! 10+ years later and I'm not aware of folks having a hard time getting fills.

[HaVoK baLL3r]

Originally Posted by xboxdave13

so what your saying is that potentially 5-6000 per case. for the same price as 2000...

terrible idea, mega fail...

You know what though, the way I see it, I would THINK they would continue to sell cases as 2000rds as opposed to selling cases by 5-6000rd boxes. It would just be that the 2000rd case would be smaller in dimension and cheaper by the case.