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Old 02-13-2020, 08:43 AM #43
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A post outa nowhere from deadly wind and no "but wut bout ay Deez?"
I was tempted to ask about the Aedes, but my enthusiasm was quickly dampened by folks complaining about having more options.
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:46 AM #44
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While you are correct we don't allow free News posts to have pricing and links, you're incorrect about it in this case.

I spoke to Colin (owner of Deadlywind) earlier today and he said, "No official price or date yet.. someone got excited and took a ballpark number mentioned in earlier conversations and ran with it."
Great, that means it even more $$ then . If the price was wrong, that’s fine. However, a price and link to pre-order did exist, doesn’t matter if they effed up
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:05 AM #45
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It did not, but their original hAir trigger was able to be fully pulled and cycled using a standard drinking straw without bending it.






Bleh, comments like that are what encourages this bull****. Speed wars has killed formats time and time again and I dont understand why. If you cant win points at 7-8bps, you arent going to win them shooting 10-13 bps with a mech. It ruins what the game is supposed to be. Mark my words, incremental changes like this will continue to happen until anyone can walk off the street and shoot 12bps with a mech and then suddenly, the idea of a format based on teamwork, aggression, and strategy will once again become a battle of who can shoot the most lanes for the longest.


Speed wars is stupid. If you want high ROF, go play NXL or recball. High ROF caused by speed wars had trickle down changes where suddenly again everyone at local fields is all shooting insane ROF for no reason with basic, cheap guns and ruin new player entries into the sport.
Speed wars didn't kill formats.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:08 AM #46
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I agree with the other guy.

First off... When you speak for the entire class you usually end up looking like a donkey.

For me the mechanical movement is 100% about a slower rate of fire. What do I care if the gun has a solenoid or a 3 way valve other than ROF?

If the mech movement is not about ROF why aren't R/T triggers or that Superfast Gmech 3 way valve allowed?
That's fine, you're entitled to your opinions, the same as anyone else.

As far as speaking for the entire class, I'm not. I'm speaking for myself and the other voices I've heard playing the format. I honestly have never heard from anyone I've run into at these events or at the field that has said "Yeah, I do this because the ROF is slower."

I just dislike someone proselytizing that one thing shouldn't be about this and that because it should be about ALL of it.

I get that there are "purists" and people that feel they hold the moral high-ground in regards to this sport. But it's those types of attitudes that divide us as a player base and that's unfortunate.

Let people fan the trigger as fast as they want on triggers connected to guns that can go as fast as they can pull.
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:02 PM #47
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Bring on the speed, I see no issue looking for gains in mechanical.
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I'm speaking for myself and the other voices I've heard playing the format. I honestly have never heard from anyone I've run into at these events or at the field that has said "Yeah, I do this because the ROF is slower
Ive never heard anyone say it either. Tournaments moved to ramping modes because it was impossible to filter out cheater boards. This is not an issue with mech guns. You can pull it that fast , then you can shoot that fast.

Hi my names bob and Im really against faster mech guns because my fat sausage fingers are too slow. I think we should cap the mech guns, ....dert.
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:57 PM #49
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There are already rules in place about things like RT's or pneumatic markers with double triggers so it's not really so cut and dry.

I always felt Planet tried to keep the ROF on the low side with the slide frame Gmek, but players wanted more speed.[/quote]

And there lies the problem, people have far to much expectations on what they want to what is there. Mechanical Markers aren't meant to be shot at High ROF. I have had the option to add a RT on my 98 and A5, but I chose not to because for 1, I can shoot every fast with my finger. And 2, it's cheating.
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Old 03-17-2020, 03:25 PM #50
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Old 03-17-2020, 04:20 PM #51
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Why is it one of these days I think you are just going to shoot your camera?
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Old 03-17-2020, 04:37 PM #52
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Why is it one of these days I think you are just going to shoot your camera?
I shot the stand once... I even left it in the video. Bonus points if someone can figure out which one.
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Old 03-17-2020, 05:12 PM #53
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DSR or M3+ video I believe?

What do I win?
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Old 03-17-2020, 05:56 PM #54
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Old 03-17-2020, 05:56 PM #55
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I meant to include in the video that the safety still works even with the trigger set that short.
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Old 03-17-2020, 07:01 PM #56
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I said in a thread way long ago you are the fastest mech shooter, think when everyone was doing emek review videos. Who would you nominate that can shoot a mech faster than you John?
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:36 PM #57
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I said in a thread way long ago you are the fastest mech shooter, think when everyone was doing emek review videos. Who would you nominate that can shoot a mech faster than you John?
Oh god, LOTS of people. I don't think I have fast fingers at all. I go to these mech events and hear many shooting way faster. Plus, doing it with 0 adrenaline on demand in front of the camera is even worse. And in the cold? Forgetaboutit. Lots of people are faster.

People will 100% be able to shoot these way faster than me in this video. No question about it.

For example Chris Lasoya has super-fast fingers. He could shoot a slide frame Autococker faster than I could shoot an Angel back in the day. It was crazy.

Aaron Rios off the Saberwolves has a real fast trigger.

I am sure there are a couple guys on Farside with faster fingers as well. I am sure there are lots of others.
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That’s good ****, I really like it. Any way it can compromise the reliability of the gun?
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Old 03-17-2020, 09:37 PM #59
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Thats good <del>****</del>, I really like it. Any way it can compromise the reliability of the gun?
I think Deadlywind sent one to Jack Wood to test so he might be able to answer. I haven't been able to get this one to fail, bloop a shot or be unreliable in any way. However, I've only shot a couple cases through it and then a couple air tanks of dry firing. Solid so far.
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After watching the video it doesn't sound like its much of a ROF improvement. Of course, they don't advertise increasing ROF but it does seem implied. Maybe it makes it easier to sustain ROF but personally at $90.00 I just don't see the value in it as the factory 170 trigger is not a limiting factor for me.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the ROF limited by bolt speed or bolt design?

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Did you notice any difference in efficiency with the hAir valve installed?

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Did you notice any difference in efficiency with the hAir valve installed?
No, I haven't yet. But I also wasn't looking for it.
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