[jmcgarrell]

Originally Posted by dualimpact

For the price you could get a used rotor or spire, I dont see a reason to recommend this to a new player over a used force fed hopper.

For the new players who walk into a brick and mortar store wanting a setup, but want more options under $80

[Legacy]

Originally Posted by jmcgarrell

For the new players who walk into a brick and mortar store wanting a setup, but want more options under $80

Yeah I don't understand why you would tell a relatively new player (who seems to be the target market for this) to check out a BST page on facebook or something like that and buy a used loader when he can walk into a store or field and see and touch this thing, buy it along with a warranty over some POS used loader that's got god knows what problems.

This seems like a perfect first motorized hopper for a rec player. Hell I might get one for my kid this winter to throw on his emek.

[paintplongo]

Originally Posted by dualimpact

For the price you could get a used rotor or spire, I dont see a reason to recommend this to a new player over a used force fed hopper.

the Spire isn't a force fed hopper.

[$balla]

I'm in as long as I can get a speedfeed for it.

[tweeter4]

Originally Posted by Legacy

Yeah I don't understand why you would tell a relatively new player (who seems to be the target market for this) to check out a BST page on facebook or something like that and buy a used loader when he can walk into a store or field and see and touch this thing, buy it along with a warranty over some POS used loader that's got god knows what problems.

This seems like a perfect first motorized hopper for a rec player. Hell I might get one for my kid this winter to throw on his emek.

100% with you. I get so tired everytime a good, budget friendly option comes to market, whether its hoppers, tanks, guns etc, people give that same answer of "Well you can totally just buy this used on BST even though you have never played and don't utilize the BST pages"

Nothing wrong with another great loader at a great price. Not everyone wants to use a 20 year old Revvy lol or a $100-$200 loader when they shoot an Emek, or Spyder, or Tippmann

[dualimpact]

It's not like they sell used hoppers at brick and mortar stores, or have players at the field who are selling gear ��

[TheBroz]

Will any speed feeds fit on it?

[7lash]

Originally Posted by TheBroz

Will any speed feeds fit on it?

Not yet.

[Oc_rage]

Originally Posted by dualimpact

It's not like they sell used hoppers at brick and mortar stores, or have players at the field who are selling gear ��

most stores don't sell used equipment, and the ones that do aren't going to offer that over a new item to a recreational player who's ok with paying retail.

Also, I've been playing for over 18 years and I can't remember ever someone just selling used gear at a field.

just take the L, you said something stupid, don't try to justify it, just take the L.

[JOESPUD27]

Originally Posted by Oc_rage

most stores don't sell used equipment, and the ones that do aren't going to offer that over a new item to a recreational player who's ok with paying retail.

Also, I've been playing for over 18 years and I can't remember ever someone just selling used gear at a field.

just take the L, you said something stupid, don't try to justify it, just take the L.

My local store sells used stuff all the time? Take it on trade.

Also, the parking lot of the field is where you get bargains

[Mr. Stealthy]

Originally Posted by Oc_rage

most stores don't sell used equipment, and the ones that do aren't going to offer that over a new item to a recreational player who's ok with paying retail.

Also, I've been playing for over 18 years and I can't remember ever someone just selling used gear at a field.

just take the L, you said something stupid, don't try to justify it, just take the L.

Unrelated to the main argument but I have been playing for a little under 20 years and I can't honestly say I have played at a field where someone wasn't selling used gear. Cheers anyway.

[beanmaster50]

I just received mine.
Did a speed test, fed 200 paintballs in 15 seconds (around 13.3 BPS). I did notice that it took a second or two to get up to full speed, I imagine this is because it's more of an agitating loader than force fed (it's kind of a hybrid).
My first impressions:
1). The lid system is robust. Very difficult to open.
2). The tray and tray detachment system is solid. The tray doesn't move around at all like some of the loaders out there.
3). The thickness of the shell has to be twice as thick as any other loader I can find. It isn't flimsy at all. The feedneck is super high quality (don't fear that the loader will break off like any of the viewloaders).
4). This loader fits very well on the EMEK/ETHA 2 platform and is extremely balanced. The profile and field of view this loader provides is refreshing.
5). The light and battery level indicator are the real deal. I imagine this will help fields and parks when it comes to maintenance.

[$balla]

plz speedfeed.

[Jack Wood]

Originally Posted by $balla

plz speedfeed.

We have already had enquiries from aftermarket speedfeed manufacturers and we have provided them with drawings/models to make their life easier to design/produce a compatible speedfeed.

[natexcarr]

Anyone have pictures of this thing sitting on an Emek?

[jonotwist]

Originally Posted by Legacy

Yeah I don't understand why you would tell a relatively new player (who seems to be the target market for this) to check out a BST page on facebook or something like that and buy a used loader when he can walk into a store or field and see and touch this thing, buy it along with a warranty over some POS used loader that's got god knows what problems.

This seems like a perfect first motorized hopper for a rec player. Hell I might get one for my kid this winter to throw on his emek.

Believe me, I agree.
This should not be compared to used BST.
I compare this to BNIB.

and right now I see a loader on comparison with the discontinued revvy, for 15 more than ts MSRP of 50.00
of which Id see commonly available for 40.00 so 25 extra smackaroos for a BNIB loader. keep in mind the revvy
is still in stock with minimal deal hunting. but the idea for the budget range, is bang for buck.
and the market isnt a meritocracy. and for 15 bucks more, you can get a "pro level" loader at 80 bucks.

I laud eclipse for putting their entry in the budget baller level.
Not everyone needs an AMG SLS when something base level keeps you competitive enough.
Plus it helps em dominate a section of the market with an up sell along with the Emek.
but I think the loader is priced 15 bucks too high when compared to the rest of the offerings.

in context.
Its competing with the PALS system, so the rental market isnt much of a target.
it has enough competition of new old stock and present day upper level current stock.
its a hard sell. for 50 Im sold, but at 65, id rather up another $15 and get another speed or another two revvies.

at face I see this as a smooth-brain market placement against the above.
but I will admit, eclipse is not a house of smooth brains that hit the report button just because they like the sound.
They are 9th level brain users sussing and chucking out impostors like trump chucks US citizens at COVID.

see? funny and topical!

[$balla]

Originally Posted by Jack Wood

We have already had enquiries from aftermarket speedfeed manufacturers and we have provided them with drawings/models to make their life easier to design/produce a compatible speedfeed.

Cool. Thanks Jack!

Also I'm seeing a lot of comparison to the revy but please consider the added durability and feed-rate consistency could be worth the extra $15 when you don't snap your hopper diving or miss a shot you know you would have had because your loader couldn't keep up. Plus for the price you can stack 2-3 of them in your gear bag and still spend around or less than many top-of-the-line loaders available right now.

[jonotwist]

Originally Posted by $balla

Cool. Thanks Jack!

Also I'm seeing a lot of comparison to the revy but please consider the added durability and feed-rate consistency could be worth the extra $15 when you don't snap your hopper diving or miss a shot you know you would have had because your loader couldn't keep up. Plus for the price you can stack 2-3 of them in your gear bag and still spend around or less than many top-of-the-line loaders available right now.

I will give that the Brass eagle era revvies were abysmal you could look at them and create a crack.
I have both an old VL revvy and a JT revvy, the material is pretty tough with enough flex.
But were looking for field use and abuse, not a loader that has SM kinks.

so the comparisons are,
its durability
feed speed
accessories
disassembly / maintenance (ill elaborate why there is a difference)
weight (with batteries, no paint)
capacity

back to the consideration, of bang for buck. so for those with the money to cross shop,

comparing to the revvy for 25 bucks less (more discounts in some retailers)
comparable durability
comparable maintenance ( but speedster is easier for its disassembly)
a minimum sack in 21% feed rate. (10 to 13bps) (explanation to follow if needed)
a loss in 10 balls, ball capacity
a whole bunch of weight lost, 430g compared to 650g
universal speed feeds (10 bucks!)

for 15 more comparing it to the speed
130% boost in feed rate. (30 to 13 bps)
comparable durability
still a whole bunch of weight lost, 450g compared to 650g
semi comparable disassembly
comparable maintenance
universal speed feeds
30 balls fewer in paint capacity.

The revvy falls short some, but with 15- 25 bucks to save.
the speed excels against the speedster but with an additional 15$ to spend.

the real question to ask, what about the vmax or vmax 2?
it is very comparable except with the speedster dominating with its durability.
is there a reason no one mentioned the vmax 1/2?
similar price, similar spec, no mention.

maintenance keeps the equipment operational. (batteries and cleaning)
disassembly can be part of maintenance, but inst inherently necessary.

what im hoping is that this loader doesn't get the vmax treatment and
becomes a piece of equipment we compare others to.

https://i.imgur.com/PMbEhn3.png

[Big Papa Pink]

Originally Posted by natexcarr

Anyone have pictures of this thing sitting on an Emek?

Here you go.

[tweeter4]

Originally Posted by Big Papa Pink

Here you go.

Damnnn, where is that body from

[The Inflicted]

Originally Posted by tweeter4

Damnnn, where is that body from

https://www.shapeways.com/product/EB...90649&li=shops