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Old 08-01-2019, 11:32 PM #1
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Powerhouse Regulators Gen 3 Haymkr

Just noticed this newest instalment in the Powerhouse regulator lineup has been announced, the Haymkr. It comes in two flavours. One is the standard reg body size (same size as the previous ph regs) and a long version which is essentially has a built in reg extender for those that want a longer setup.

This new version has all the features of the previous regulators plus the newly designed regulator seat putting the seat inside the body instead of on the piston. This makes the regulator body much more robust and prevents a body from becoming garbage if the conical seat gets marked and lastly it also has a new 500psi main piston.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:42 AM #2
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For those of you who don't know, the owner of Powerhouse is an ex-ninja employee. He worked with Ninja and decided he wanted to part ways and stole the patented design that Ninja had. Ninja spent their own money to patent it and built a business around it.

Powerhouse decided to go off on his own and steal it. Who does that? Violates a non-compete, flat out steals the design work of another company. Someone who doesn't care that there are 20-30 people that work at Ninja/PSI that depend on that company making money for their livelihood and their paychecks.

Ninja now has 2 lawsuits pending against Powerhouse.

Granted, the Powerhouse regulator may be better or have better features but only a scumbag would do what he did and anyone who goes on to back Powerhouse and their "mission", may as well be in the same boat.

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Old 08-02-2019, 08:03 AM #3
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For those of you who don't know, the owner of Powerhouse is an ex-ninja employee. He worked with Ninja and decided he wanted to part ways and stole the patented design that Ninja had. Ninja spent their own money to patent it and built a business around it.

Powerhouse decided to go off on his own and steal it. Who does that? Violates a non-compete, flat out steals the design work of another company. Someone who doesn't care that there are 20-30 people that work at Ninja/PSI that depend on that company making money for their livelihood and their paychecks.

Ninja now has 2 lawsuits pending against Powerhouse.

Granted, the Powerhouse regulator may be better or have better features but only a scumbag would do what he did and anyone who goes on to back Powerhouse and their "mission", may as well be in the same boat.

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LOL! Which of ninja's patent claims did powerhouse violate? Do you know Carl and what was his role at ninja? I support powerhouse and their "mission" and believe they make the best regs on the market.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:39 AM #5
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For those of you who don't know, the owner of Powerhouse is an ex-ninja employee. He worked with Ninja and decided he wanted to part ways and stole the patented design that Ninja had. Ninja spent their own money to patent it and built a business around it.

Powerhouse decided to go off on his own and steal it. Who does that? Violates a non-compete, flat out steals the design work of another company. Someone who doesn't care that there are 20-30 people that work at Ninja/PSI that depend on that company making money for their livelihood and their paychecks.

Ninja now has 2 lawsuits pending against Powerhouse.

Granted, the Powerhouse regulator may be better or have better features but only a scumbag would do what he did and anyone who goes on to back Powerhouse and their "mission", may as well be in the same boat.

/rant.
Your "crusade" against PH on here and other mediums is pretty pathetic. I'm sure you're aware that they share virtually no design characteristics.

Just stop. Let the free market determine what they'd like to purchase.
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Wow that got outta hand quickly.

Just like John said, I believe they are currently the best regulators ever built for paintball and will support them whole heartedly as they have been nothing but amazing for me. This leaves room for anyone else to step up and make something even better, so let’s see some other new paintball tech.
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:24 AM #7
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If Ninja has filed lawsuits against them, they should be publicly visible, no? Anybody know where one might find them?

And current Ninja regs are basically copies of old DXS regs. There doesn't seem to be much innovation there.
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If Ninja has filed lawsuits against them, they should be publicly visible, no? Anybody know where one might find them?

And current Ninja regs are basically copies of old DXS regs. There doesn't seem to be much innovation there.
I can find the PBRML article:
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However that is about where my distaste for powerhouse ends, I love my HK regs!
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I support powerhouse and their "mission" and believe they make the best regs on the market.
+1

After using Ninja/PSI regulators for years, I started to feel like the quality over time was waning and some options felt limiting (bonnet material / color, etc.). The Powerhouse regulators address all of my concerns and have been working perfectly on all of my markers.
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:15 AM #10
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I can find the PBRML article:
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However that is about where my distaste for powerhouse ends, I love my HK regs!
Thanks for the link.

I assume "Pressure Specialists, Inc." is the parent company of Ninja.

From what I can tell (I'm not a lawyer, but I am an engineer), this lawsuit is junk. The features the plaintiff is claiming as infringement are all too general; enough so that they basically encompass all tank regs.
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For those of you who don't know, the owner of Powerhouse is an ex-ninja employee. He worked with Ninja and decided he wanted to part ways and stole the patented design that Ninja had. Ninja spent their own money to patent it and built a business around it.

Powerhouse decided to go off on his own and steal it. Who does that? Violates a non-compete, flat out steals the design work of another company. Someone who doesn't care that there are 20-30 people that work at Ninja/PSI that depend on that company making money for their livelihood and their paychecks.

Ninja now has 2 lawsuits pending against Powerhouse.

Granted, the Powerhouse regulator may be better or have better features but only a scumbag would do what he did and anyone who goes on to back Powerhouse and their "mission", may as well be in the same boat.

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I'll still use a powerhouse reg over a crappy ninja one
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Your "crusade" against PH on here and other mediums is pretty pathetic. I'm sure you're aware that they share virtually no design characteristics.

Just stop. Let the free market determine what they'd like to purchase.
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And current Ninja regs are basically copies of old DXS regs. There doesn't seem to be much innovation there.
Didn't Ninja (PSI) make the regs for DXS?
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For those of you who don't know, the owner of Powerhouse is an ex-ninja employee. He worked with Ninja and decided he wanted to part ways and stole the patented design that Ninja had. Ninja spent their own money to patent it and built a business around it.

Powerhouse decided to go off on his own and steal it. Who does that? Violates a non-compete, flat out steals the design work of another company. Someone who doesn't care that there are 20-30 people that work at Ninja/PSI that depend on that company making money for their livelihood and their paychecks.

Ninja now has 2 lawsuits pending against Powerhouse.

Granted, the Powerhouse regulator may be better or have better features but only a scumbag would do what he did and anyone who goes on to back Powerhouse and their "mission", may as well be in the same boat.

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do you have info to back this up? i dont have a horse in this race. im not getting a new tank/ reg anytime soon.
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The features the plaintiff is claiming as infringement are all too general; enough so that they basically encompass all tank regs.
Exactly. Someone leaves the company and starts a new company to make a better product... Happens all the time. I'd say probably half the companies in the industry are like this.
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That's a well-written rebuttal full of sources to back up your claims
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Exactly. Someone leaves the company and starts a new company to make a better product... Happens all the time. I'd say probably half the companies in the industry are like this.
if they made that product while working for the old company it could still belong to the old company.
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if they made that product while working for the old company it could still belong to the old company.
I'm aware of the legal and ethical problems in dealing with intellectual property.
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But DLX blatantly rips off the Gamma Core and only a few people bat an eye.
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I'm aware of the legal and ethical problems in dealing with intellectual property.
i never questioned you were or weren't. just a statement that i used your post as a reference ( if that's the right word)
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From what I can tell (I'm not a lawyer, but I am an engineer), this lawsuit is junk. The features the plaintiff is claiming as infringement are all too general; enough so that they basically encompass all tank regs.
Obviousness should have been proven in the patent prosecution. This is an issued patent, so invalidity is a tough road to hoe. You would need to find prior (pre-2004) art to invalidate claim 1 (The independent claim).

I'm assuming (but don't know) that there are other constructions that they don't find objectionable, unless they've got an SP-type patent. (The SP patent was issued in the face of clear prior art, though.) Based on the OP, "putting the seat inside the body instead of on the piston" is likely designed to thwart:
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Considering they already settled the previous case (according to the PBRML document, anyway), this would make sense. To ironyusa's point, it's usually not that hard to make something "just different enough" to muddy the patent waters.


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But DLX blatantly rips off the Gamma Core and only a few people bat an eye.
PE made a choice not to get a patent. They aren't cheap to obtain, and their utility is questionable. PE's secret sauce is that they have amazing attention to detail, customer service, etc. They really care. PE could make the **** out of a stacked tube blowback, if they wanted to.


Overall, I agree that the market should and will decide. Still, purchasing decisions are clearly not based on pure rational utility, which makes the behind the scenes stuff relevant.
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