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Old 06-17-2020, 11:57 PM #43
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OK, so I confirmed this is real. There should be more foreign teams joining the pro division for World Cup.

In future years, hopefully without a pandemic, teams will get a chance to play in their respective countries for their chance to compete at Cup in the Pro division.

It sounds like most (all?) pro teams from Europe might have a shot at playing Cup as Pros as of right now.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:06 AM #44
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OK, so I confirmed this is real. There should be more foreign teams joining the pro division for World Cup.

In future years, hopefully without a pandemic, teams will get a chance to play in their respective countries for their chance to compete at Cup in the Pro division.

It sounds like most (all?) pro teams from Europe might have a shot at playing Cup as Pros as of right now.
Interesting. Is this a “World Cup only” thing? If so, I wonder if it makes sense for a top foreign semi-pro team to play? For example, if next year there’s a full season, and Ton Tons (or someone else) play Semi-Pro all year and do well, they could win the top seed and move up to Pro right? But it they play SP for most events, then Pro at Cup, how will that effect their season point total and ability to move up? Will the best international teams actually decline playing Cup’s pro division to try to win the SP division and get a permanent spot?
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:52 PM #45
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Heard there will be no world cup

Not sure if there will even be an event to play
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Not sure if there will even be an event to play
Not looking great.
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Good for them! I've played against them before and they're good players and cool to hang out with. Most if not all are bilingual too which would provide some great interview content for GoSports and promote the league and game in general.
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People will criticize their performance but honestly the only teams to ever win a pro NXL event are: Xfactor, Impact, Heat, Dynasty, Infamous, Legion or Ironmen anyways.

The only teams to ever make a top 4 outside of the 7 teams listed are:

AcDallas-multiple top fours and finals
Uprising-has taken top four
Revo-multiple top fours
Aftermath-after getting 3rd, they never won a match for a whole year
Damage-top fours but that was back in 2017
Aftershock-now defunct so irrelevant
187-now defunct so irrelevant

So besides 7 teams that have won and 3/4 teams that have gone far at a tournament, no one has really proven capable of winning a pro NXL/let alone world cup. In the end does it really matter who the other teams are?

To operate a pro team you need:
-$15k for the entries
-Either money or a good enough paint deal for 500 cases of event paint if you assume roughly 15 cases per match, 4-6 matches played across 5 events
-At least 500 cases of practice paint if you assume 10 cases per player per event practice. Not to mention probably 10 cases for each of the Thursday practices the day prior so thats another 50 cases. Plus I'm not even talking about non-practice weekends, you also need paint to play random weekends, random drill days, etc.
-$10k or so for hotels/Airbnb
-$? for Ubers/rental cars
-$10-15k airplane tickets/baggage fees or expect the players to pay out of pocket. Probably a higher amount if the teams flies into other states for scrimmages
-$? for some other expenses im not thinking of like food, Gosports to watch games, gear for the players, the $300 Thursday practice fee, cash or leftover paint to "pay" the pod boys, etc

On paper, it takes all that money to buy you a "chance" to win a $10k per event. In reality, its a chance to get humiliated by the top 7 teams and go toe-to-toe with the bottom 10 teams. So that being said-skill level aside, who is even willing and/or capable of sacrificing all that money for basically the intrinsic value of saying you're a pro and having a fun experience with your friends?

Regardless of how they got the pro spot-at the end of the day, remember that the NXL is a business. If a team offers to pay $15-20K of entry fees, ID cards, VIP parking, etc to play, wouldn't you accommodate it?
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Old 07-14-2020, 08:59 AM #48
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Great breakdown

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Good for them! I've played against them before and they're good players and cool to hang out with. Most if not all are bilingual too which would provide some great interview content for GoSports and promote the league and game in general.
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People will criticize their performance but honestly the only teams to ever win a pro NXL event are: Xfactor, Impact, Heat, Dynasty, Infamous, Legion or Ironmen anyways.

The only teams to ever make a top 4 outside of the 7 teams listed are:

AcDallas-multiple top fours and finals
Uprising-has taken top four
Revo-multiple top fours
Aftermath-after getting 3rd, they never won a match for a whole year
Damage-top fours but that was back in 2017
Aftershock-now defunct so irrelevant
187-now defunct so irrelevant

So besides 7 teams that have won and 3/4 teams that have gone far at a tournament, no one has really proven capable of winning a pro NXL/let alone world cup. In the end does it really matter who the other teams are?

To operate a pro team you need:
-$15k for the entries
-Either money or a good enough paint deal for 500 cases of event paint if you assume roughly 15 cases per match, 4-6 matches played across 5 events
-At least 500 cases of practice paint if you assume 10 cases per player per event practice. Not to mention probably 10 cases for each of the Thursday practices the day prior so thats another 50 cases. Plus I'm not even talking about non-practice weekends, you also need paint to play random weekends, random drill days, etc.
-$10k or so for hotels/Airbnb
-$? for Ubers/rental cars
-$10-15k airplane tickets/baggage fees or expect the players to pay out of pocket. Probably a higher amount if the teams flies into other states for scrimmages
-$? for some other expenses im not thinking of like food, Gosports to watch games, gear for the players, the $300 Thursday practice fee, cash or leftover paint to "pay" the pod boys, etc

On paper, it takes all that money to buy you a "chance" to win a $10k per event. In reality, its a chance to get humiliated by the top 7 teams and go toe-to-toe with the bottom 10 teams. So that being said-skill level aside, who is even willing and/or capable of sacrificing all that money for basically the intrinsic value of saying you're a pro and having a fun experience with your friends?

Regardless of how they got the pro spot-at the end of the day, remember that the NXL is a business. If a team offers to pay $15-20K of entry fees, ID cards, VIP parking, etc to play, wouldn't you accommodate it?
Sounds like you have some experience on costs to run a team, Thanks for taking the time to break the costs down, you went on the conservative side on paint and lodging in my experience but nevertheless great breakdown. It is about the same at semipro level, we spend $75k a year to make memories!!!
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Good for them! I've played against them before and they're good players and cool to hang out with. Most if not all are bilingual too which would provide some great interview content for GoSports and promote the league and game in general.
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People will criticize their performance but honestly the only teams to ever win a pro NXL event are: Xfactor, Impact, Heat, Dynasty, Infamous, Legion or Ironmen anyways.

The only teams to ever make a top 4 outside of the 7 teams listed are:

AcDallas-multiple top fours and finals
Uprising-has taken top four
Revo-multiple top fours
Aftermath-after getting 3rd, they never won a match for a whole year
Damage-top fours but that was back in 2017
Aftershock-now defunct so irrelevant
187-now defunct so irrelevant

So besides 7 teams that have won and 3/4 teams that have gone far at a tournament, no one has really proven capable of winning a pro NXL/let alone world cup. In the end does it really matter who the other teams are?

To operate a pro team you need:
-$15k for the entries
-Either money or a good enough paint deal for 500 cases of event paint if you assume roughly 15 cases per match, 4-6 matches played across 5 events
-At least 500 cases of practice paint if you assume 10 cases per player per event practice. Not to mention probably 10 cases for each of the Thursday practices the day prior so thats another 50 cases. Plus I'm not even talking about non-practice weekends, you also need paint to play random weekends, random drill days, etc.
-$10k or so for hotels/Airbnb
-$? for Ubers/rental cars
-$10-15k airplane tickets/baggage fees or expect the players to pay out of pocket. Probably a higher amount if the teams flies into other states for scrimmages
-$? for some other expenses im not thinking of like food, Gosports to watch games, gear for the players, the $300 Thursday practice fee, cash or leftover paint to "pay" the pod boys, etc

On paper, it takes all that money to buy you a "chance" to win a $10k per event. In reality, its a chance to get humiliated by the top 7 teams and go toe-to-toe with the bottom 10 teams. So that being said-skill level aside, who is even willing and/or capable of sacrificing all that money for basically the intrinsic value of saying you're a pro and having a fun experience with your friends?

Regardless of how they got the pro spot-at the end of the day, remember that the NXL is a business. If a team offers to pay $15-20K of entry fees, ID cards, VIP parking, etc to play, wouldn't you accommodate it?
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Damage won multiple PSP events including world Cup in 2011.
Yes they did, but that was PSP almost a decade ago so I tried to keep the breakdown strictly NXL/buzzer format in lieu of PSP flag/race to format

Disclaimer on my other post: I didn't want to offend or cause any controversy, just give a basic breakdown of the costs associated with modern NXL expenses and a breakdown of which teams have really been the main contenders. Ultimately anyone with the guts to try their hand at Dynasty, Heat, Impact, etc has my respect, but as the results show theres really only 7 pro teams that win and about 4 that pose a realistic threat-the other 9-10 teams have always kinda been hit or miss. Newer teams either get outclassed for their first couple years and slowly improve (Revo, Vicious, Thunder, Mlkings are winning games now, etc) or get stuck in the prelims nonstop until they quit, have massive turnover, get their studs picked up by higher tier teams etc (Elevation, Topgun, Outlaws, Boom, PcKatana, Thunder for a little while etc)

Guys like Yosh Rau and Jrab have been playing pro for 15-20 seasons. Other teams have maybe 3-4 seasons of experience so it's a steep learning curve
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Good for them! I've played against them before and they're good players and cool to hang out with. Most if not all are bilingual too which would provide some great interview content for GoSports and promote the league and game in general.
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People will criticize their performance but honestly the only teams to ever win a pro NXL event are: Xfactor, Impact, Heat, Dynasty, Infamous, Legion or Ironmen anyways.

The only teams to ever make a top 4 outside of the 7 teams listed are:

AcDallas-multiple top fours and finals
Uprising-has taken top four
Revo-multiple top fours
Aftermath-after getting 3rd, they never won a match for a whole year
Damage-top fours but that was back in 2017
Aftershock-now defunct so irrelevant
187-now defunct so irrelevant

So besides 7 teams that have won and 3/4 teams that have gone far at a tournament, no one has really proven capable of winning a pro NXL/let alone world cup. In the end does it really matter who the other teams are?

To operate a pro team you need:
-$15k for the entries
-Either money or a good enough paint deal for 500 cases of event paint if you assume roughly 15 cases per match, 4-6 matches played across 5 events
-At least 500 cases of practice paint if you assume 10 cases per player per event practice. Not to mention probably 10 cases for each of the Thursday practices the day prior so thats another 50 cases. Plus I'm not even talking about non-practice weekends, you also need paint to play random weekends, random drill days, etc.
-$10k or so for hotels/Airbnb
-$? for Ubers/rental cars
-$10-15k airplane tickets/baggage fees or expect the players to pay out of pocket. Probably a higher amount if the teams flies into other states for scrimmages
-$? for some other expenses im not thinking of like food, Gosports to watch games, gear for the players, the $300 Thursday practice fee, cash or leftover paint to "pay" the pod boys, etc

On paper, it takes all that money to buy you a "chance" to win a $10k per event. In reality, its a chance to get humiliated by the top 7 teams and go toe-to-toe with the bottom 10 teams. So that being said-skill level aside, who is even willing and/or capable of sacrificing all that money for basically the intrinsic value of saying you're a pro and having a fun experience with your friends?

Regardless of how they got the pro spot-at the end of the day, remember that the NXL is a business. If a team offers to pay $15-20K of entry fees, ID cards, VIP parking, etc to play, wouldn't you accommodate it?

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This.

Also, the US is the "World" champions at having "World Cups" that no one outside the US competes in.

You'd think be being called "World" something there would be countries outside of your own involved otherwise just call it the US Cup.
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This.

Also, the US is the "World" champions at having "World Cups" that no one outside the US competes in.

You'd think be being called "World" something there would be countries outside of your own involved otherwise just call it the US Cup.
They are called "World Champions" because they are playing in the best leagues in the whole world comprised of the best players in the world.

NHL - Best Hockey League in the WORLD
NBA - Best Basketball
MLB - Best Baseball
NXL - Best 5-man Paintball league

the only one I think is actually stupid is the NFL considering its basically a North America thing only.
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This.

Also, the US is the "World" champions at having "World Cups" that no one outside the US competes in.

You'd think be being called "World" something there would be countries outside of your own involved otherwise just call it the US Cup.
There is no rule or regulation that prohibits teams from other countries from playing in the NXL. Any team from any country can play in it. I understand that for most teams outside the US it would be very difficult to do cost wise, but there is nothing stopping any team from competing in the NXL.
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Also, the US is the "World" champions at having "World Cups" that no one outside the US competes in.

You'd think be being called "World" something there would be countries outside of your own involved otherwise just call it the US Cup.
When the NPPL started it was World Champions because anyone could play Pro (Just pay the fees) and there were a lot of teams from outside of the US playing the World Cup. 1 year we played the Far East Dragons and the Ton Tons. Currently the Russians win a lot of US events.... Pretty sure they are not from Cleveland.
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When the NPPL started it was World Champions because anyone could play Pro (Just pay the fees) and there were a lot of teams from outside of the US playing the World Cup. 1 year we played the Far East Dragons and the Ton Tons. Currently the Russians win a lot of US events.... Pretty sure they are not from Cleveland.
I kind of miss that but get why that's not really a thing anymore. Maybe they should bring it back for cup.
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They are called "World Champions" because they are playing in the best leagues in the whole world comprised of the best players in the world.

NHL - Best Hockey League in the WORLD
NBA - Best Basketball
MLB - Best Baseball
NXL - Best 5-man Paintball league

the only one I think is actually stupid is the NFL considering its basically a North America thing only.
Who determined the best leagues comprised of the best players? America. Hockey, Basketball, Baseball and Paintball only exists at your self imposed level by your reckoning. Australia might as well have the world cup of AFL but we don't becasue we recognise the regional focus of it. It doesn't add to your argument, just your arrogance.

Right now no other country wants anything to do with your infection rate. Keep your US cup.
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There is no rule or regulation that prohibits teams from other countries from playing in the NXL. Any team from any country can play in it. I understand that for most teams outside the US it would be very difficult to do cost wise, but there is nothing stopping any team from competing in the NXL.
Nailed it. By your own admission you exclude the actual "World" financially.

US cup. Not USA, US. becasue its just you.
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Who determined the best leagues comprised of the best players? America. Hockey, Basketball, Baseball and Paintball only exists at your self imposed level by your reckoning. Australia might as well have the world cup of AFL but we don't becasue we recognise the regional focus of it. It doesn't add to your argument, just your arrogance.

Right now no other country wants anything to do with your infection rate. Keep your US cup.
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Lol, show me on the doll where I hurt you....
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You're the one that won't stop crying
Crying?

I think you're confused with your importance and the zero ****s I give about it.

Night, stay safe and enjoy cup mate.

I'll enjoy incredible play from a distance. Cheers.
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Nailed it. By your own admission you exclude the actual "World" financially.

US cup. Not USA, US. becasue its just you.
So, what would you like? The NXL to pay for teams to come over and play as well as put on the event? Are you just upset about he name?
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