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Old 12-06-2021, 04:02 PM #1
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Is 1600 going to be the new size of a case of paint? No. No it's not.

https://propaintball.com/rumor-small...t-coming-soon/
Is there any truth to this? There's no secret that inflation has increased significantly in the last few years.
Which manufactures do you think could start doing this?
How will this effect the amount of paint that you will shoot or the marker you are using?
Will there be a paint quality increase? Perhaps larger paintballs?
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Old 12-06-2021, 04:38 PM #2
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If it's true, I don't think it'll affect me much personally. For the last few years ive only played rec. and mechanical at that. Only very occasionally a tournament try-hard. So I could make those changes work for myself will little fuss.

Without a format change, though, I could see a change like that really pinching some players and teams that are regional/national event regulars. We'll see what comes I guess.
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:21 PM #3
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I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe we should adjust the size of a Gallon instead of increasing gas prices too?

The world has been fine with fluctuating the cost of a case of paint based on market conditions for years, so the current state of inflation/shipping should be no different. It's a long term money grab IMO, because they'll never drop the price of a 1600 rnd case to less than the previous cost of a 2000 rnd case (even if/when the economy corrects itself). It's also a mental comfort for us consumers to know that "a case costs $xx".
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:55 PM #4
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considering i play mech like 90% of the time at a FPO field im totally fine with this as long as the price reflects. if im paying $50 a case now it should be $40 with the change.
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:57 PM #5
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I haven't heard anything official about paint going down to 1600 a case, but a lot of people have been saying the same thing, so I imagine there is some truth to it. Whether or not 1600 is the final number or not I guess we will see.

This was posted in a different thread. While it doesn't confirm the case size, it does confirm that some manufacturers will be increasing prices. It was asked if that meant that the case size was being reduced and the price increased, but no response. So who knows maybe some manufacturers will be raising their prices and some reducing the case size to keep the price the same. Worst case scenario is it's both.

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From Valken and Kore it will be going up about 20% a case. Not sure about from anyone else.
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Old 12-06-2021, 10:30 PM #6
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considering i play mech like 90% of the time at a FPO field im totally fine with this as long as the price reflects. if im paying $50 a case now it should be $40 with the change.
That's not how this sort of thing generally works. If you're currently paying $50 a case now with 2000 balls, you'll be paying $50 a case for 1600. That's the likelihood.

I know of a field around here that's been taking 500 ball bags out of cases for years, pulling 100 balls out (10x10 round tubes taped together to ensure count), and resealing the bags. Their clientelle is nearly all rental players. 400 balls isn't a big deal to them. Plus, with a pair of one hundred round rental pods and the 200 round loader, they can carry their first bag of paint without leaving any in staging. Works well, and it gave the field a 20% boost in revenue. He may have to re-evaluate that going forward if the bags are going to be 400's.
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Old 12-06-2021, 10:35 PM #7
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I really hope not. I think this will have a big impact on small businesses and overall attendance.
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Old 12-07-2021, 02:18 AM #8
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Idk but I hope we all do the right thing and complain endlessly about it if it’s true.
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Old 12-07-2021, 12:53 PM #9
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If HK keeps paint at 2000rds for a case this will be the first time I've ever gone out of my way to support HK
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Old 12-07-2021, 01:56 PM #10
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Honestly at least price increases should be expected. In my line of work we have seen chemical prices skyrocket for most raw materials. Reasons are numerous (Texas freeze ****ed up a ton of chemical processing plants cutting supply on a lot of chemical precursors), supply shortages due to reduced manpower due to covid restrictions, etc.

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Old 12-07-2021, 04:26 PM #11
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I know of a field around here that's been taking 500 ball bags out of cases for years, pulling 100 balls out (10x10 round tubes taped together to ensure count), and resealing the bags. Their clientelle is nearly all rental players. 400 balls isn't a big deal to them. Plus, with a pair of one hundred round rental pods and the 200 round loader, they can carry their first bag of paint without leaving any in staging. Works well, and it gave the field a 20% boost in revenue. He may have to re-evaluate that going forward if the bags are going to be 400's.
Paint is hardly worth the cost it is now, being it's generally low in quality. Paying the same for 20% less paint is a raw deal. What field is this? Being relatively local to you (central WI), I'd like to avoid it. I'd rather pay a field more per case if they actually have decent paint instead of pulling paint from the bags so they can pocket an extra 20%. I get fields need money to run, but what you described sounds wrong.

If quality actually goes up (very doubtful) then I'll be fine with a general price increase. Rumor has it that Valken will have 1600rd cases AND a $10 price increase per case. But what of the quality? If they want to give me less paint AND a price increase with no increase in quality, then the paint companies can shove it. I'll buy my own elsewhere and play outlaw if it comes to it.

Again, I don't mind paying for GOOD paint. I'd rather do that. But it HAS TO BE GOOD. And I don't see that happening, especially with GI paint. They will abuse this as much as they can, until the market shrinks even further and they HAVE to change, or they either get sold again or go away entirely.
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Old 12-07-2021, 06:18 PM #12
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HK Army released a statement that this is not going to be the case when another paintball news company ran a story to disprove this as what is happening. So at least HK is not going to make this change.

Also, Bear can do what he wants at his field but his field should not be the standard for the industry. Does anyone remember Tomahawk Paint from Europe that came in 2500 ball cases? They tried to change the industry and failed. So this is just industry grumbling made up by a Paintball News Youtube Channel to get clicks and views.
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Old 12-07-2021, 06:48 PM #13
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Does anyone remember Tomahawk Paint from Europe that came in 2500 ball cases? They tried to change the industry and failed. So this is just industry grumbling made up by a Paintball News Youtube Channel to get clicks and views.
All I remember about Tomahawk is those green/white airball bunkers with their name on em lol.
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Old 12-07-2021, 08:31 PM #14
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HK Army released a statement that this is not going to be the case when another paintball news company ran a story to disprove this as what is happening. So at least HK is not going to make this change.

Also, Bear can do what he wants at his field but his field should not be the standard for the industry. Does anyone remember Tomahawk Paint from Europe that came in 2500 ball cases? They tried to change the industry and failed. So this is just industry grumbling made up by a Paintball News Youtube Channel to get clicks and views.
Did HK say their prices were staying the same, or just their case size was staying the same?
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Old 12-08-2021, 09:11 AM #15
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Did HK say their prices were staying the same, or just their case size was staying the same?
I'm guessing with inflation and cost of goods going up, the price will have to go up. Which is fine, its on par with the rest of the market. Everything is up right now due to supply chain issues, if a company is absorbing all these price increases without passing to the consumer they will not last.
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Old 12-08-2021, 10:19 AM #16
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Old 12-08-2021, 11:33 AM #17
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Is there any truth to this? There's no secret that inflation has increased significantly in the last few years.
Which manufactures do you think could start doing this?
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This guy made a bunch of rumors on IG and shortly after most were addressed and proven false.
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This is not good news for the sport. I understand how inflation works and that companies have to pass the buck to consumers, I get that. But as others have said, what will probably happen is that we'll get less for more, and the quality will drop even further.

In my country (Canada) you're lucky to pay $90 for a case of 2,000 when you play recball and have field membership. The average price is closer to $120, actually.

Paintball here is in sharp decline, mainly due to the competition from airsoft, which is far cheaper. The last thing we need is a sharp increase in paintball prices that goes beyond what a required inflation adjustment entails. It will drive another stake into the sport here.
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seems very unlikely vs just a hike in prices. This would require new custom boxes and an inability to use the old ones or having to place packing.
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All I remember about Tomahawk is those green/white airball bunkers with their name on em lol.
I don't think any American Fields sold Tomahawk paint because back in the mid 2000's, they required you to order an entire shipping container of paint to ship from Europe to the US and at the time, most fields could not sell the 24 skids (I think that was the number as the old Wichita indoor Paintball field looked at doing so when I worked there) in a shipping container.
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So, when I read the published statement from HK's email response to the rumor I did not see this. The issue we have with paint is some is made over sea's and some is made here. We are not experiencing petroleum product shortages like the naysayers want but rather an increase in prices of transport. This could be effected by many different things but one thing as an industry we should hold the companies accountable for is that if they raise prices, they should have in turn dropped prices when petroleum products were at the cheapest prices during the pandemic. Meaning, they can cost average and stay within their margins. Most people here will **** on this statement but its the truth. Paint prices increasing but not dropping is just a load of **** to line peoples pockets after petroleum product prices were at an all time low.
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This guy made a bunch of rumors on IG and shortly after most were addressed and proven false.
There was someone who made an effort to debunk our rumor report. They were incorrect. See 2.5 for more on the HK paint topic.

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While we appreciate the critical eye, it's worth keeping in mind that rumors are just that until the fat lady sings. From inception, our goal has been to help expand your awareness of what takes place behind the pro paintball curtain. So with that, here is some additional context for you to chew on.

1) DMG has considered the sale of their pro slot. Fact. Semi pro team Blast Camp, who is interested in competing at the pro level, made a move. Fact. According to our sources, this discussion took place but at current time the DMG sale is not looking likely. Keep in mind we are still early in the off season so anything is possible.

2) Limited paint is an industry push. The well placed folks we spoke with have said this will be going to a vote with pro and semi pro teams to gauge interest. It's worth pointing out that limited paint is a reality in NXL Europe. As the sport makes a more professional push (big picture) you will see further alignment of rules and formats. For the haters, feel free to look up the word “currently” and get back to us. More on this later.

2.5) While we appreciate that HK promises to keep the 2000rd boxes..this comment may not matter as much as you think. Back in the day there were varying packaging options, ZAP and ProBall both sold 2000rd boxes while RPS sold 2500. So what? The _cost per ball_ is what matters and what we should keep our eye on. An increase in the cost per ball could drive changes to the format (see above). In regards to the paintball price & packaging changes discussed previously - our ProPaintball.com insiders tell us nothing has been decided but its all being evaluated as we speak.

3) Texas: The buzz at the 2021 World Cup was that the location of the NXL season opener was unconfirmed. Texas was rumored to have been discussed as a major and landed as an open. That was a miss on our part. The NXL has posted the new dates and locations.

4) 7th event. It's still on. Our sources say this event will be branded as the NXL Champions Cup and is still on the docket. This would be an invitational event and teams would be required to qualify based on 2022 season performance. This particular event is rumored to take place in January or early February of 2023 as a conclusion to the 2022 season. This would be an international event, and would see top teams from NXL Europe as well as Latin America in the mix.

Last but not least.. Words from the legend B.I.G.. "Same number, same hood, it's all good. Cause if you don't know, now you know". At ProPaintball.com always strive to give our people the best news and hottest rumors, straight from the pits. If you look back over the last 13 years of our work -- we don't miss often. For those that have been around awhile -- we see you and appreciate you. Stay tuned to ProPaintball.com for the latest news and rumors.
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