[BELOWZERO]

Id say shoot or feel both, ergonomics are very different on both guns.

[Big Papa Pink]

Noa has had both markers ... My guess is the question was to spur conversation or for a newer player who is asking him questions.

The Luxe X was comfortable in my hands, it was reliable, but I had some paint handling issues with all three I owned. The Luxe X felt smoother than a CS2, but I think that was due to the bolt speed differences between the two. I owned a Gen 1, 2 and the latest gen with all the updates. All three shot well with Graffiti but with tourney paint, they all had issues ...

The Geo 4 has been a joy to own and use. It is smooth, quiet, efficient and just does everything you want a marker to do and does it well. I like the overall design of the CS2 more, but the Geo 4 is a tremendous deal and easy to maintain. I have not had any paint handling issues with it, and I have shot all kinds of paint through it; from field grade to 5 star/redemption pro in Colorado cold weather. In cold weather I recommend turning up the SFR a touch to make sure you don't see any FSDO, but I never had issues with my SFR at the 3 oclock position.

My choice would be Geo 4 all day and twice on Sunday.

[imped4now]

For anyone curious,

U-Cups work oustanding in the Insight and Onslaught/Reflex. Better than I thought they would. My Onslaught with U-Cups in the applicable locations (shutoff and ram 010) + higher rate rear spring has passed *every* torture test I've given it so far, which that gun has never been very good at. I'll be using it at a February scenario to give it final validation so hopefully it's good and cold.

[the other one]

Originally Posted by Noa Bo

Just thinking out loud for a second-

Kind of hope Empire brings back the Vanquish Marker using the V16 Drive, but with SYX like upgrades: asa and hpr integrated into frame and the grips. I’d finally be down to test an Empire tournament marker if they did. I don’t want to see that bolt design go extinct.

I’d love that. I’m a big fan of the V16.... my spare marker is a Vanquish GT.
What I’ve found with it is just... incredible wastes of space. The grip just holds a battery, and nothing else. The trigger housing “cartridge” is massive for no reason. The board in the body is pretty big. It’s just a poorly-fit design, compared to most others on the market.

Luxe X vs Geo 4. What’s your pick and why? TIA fellas!

My pick is honestly to save a few hundred bucks and get a Geo 3.5. It still holds up just fine, and is better for folks without large hands.

[ChuckLove]

Originally Posted by imped4now

For anyone curious,

U-Cups work oustanding in the Insight and Onslaught/Reflex. Better than I thought they would. My Onslaught with U-Cups in the applicable locations (shutoff and ram 010) + higher rate rear spring has passed *every* torture test I've given it so far, which that gun has never been very good at. I'll be using it at a February scenario to give it final validation so hopefully it's good and cold.

This is something I always wanted to try but never got around to doing. How long have you gone without cleaning and lubing the engine?

[imped4now]

It will longer term testing before I can answer that question.

[Noa Bo]

Impede, Trademygun still has a decent variety of new/old stock of the Insight ( non ng ). Is Field One still making the Reflex engine? If so, and your oring sorcery works, this will be a hard to pass up project. It would be an ideal setup for big games when you want to shoot a lot of paint without making the hike back to the fill station.

[Big Papa Pink]

Originally Posted by Noa Bo

Impede, Trademygun still has a decent variety of new/old stock of the Insight ( non ng ). Is Field One still making the Reflex engine? If so, and your oring sorcery works, this will be a hard to pass up project. It would be an ideal setup for big games when you want to shoot a lot of paint without making the hike back to the fill station.

All Insights were the NG ... The Insight NG and Insight are one in the same. The NG stood for New Generation referring to the engine in the Insight as it was Bob’s next engine.

I do agree with you Noa, I’m going to do this to each of my reflex engines as it looks awfully promising. And yes, you can still get new reflex engines from Field One. I knew TMG had Victus markers, but I didn’t know they had insights ... If they have a dust black one I might be interested in picking one up eventually.

[imped4now]

LOL....

The mythical non-NG Insight.

[Noa Bo]

Checked and they are Victus, not Insight, my bad. Also didn’t catch the NG detail haha.

[imped4now]

Victus = Insight with different milling