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Old 10-14-2019, 03:21 AM #22
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Here's the problem with asking people in paintball basically anything:

We'd all love to see (insert whatever item) happen. Polls and discussions support that. Everyone would love to see (item) be a thing!
-The prime example of this is back when Tom Kaye was still running AGD, and trying to keep the E-Mag/X-Mag relevant against smaller, lighter electros, he came up with a trigger roller.

It was simple- two small brackets and a tiny brass roller, that mounted to the trigger right at the peak of the center hump of a typical two-finger trigger. To use it, you held the gun kind of odd and flicked your trigger finger vertically over the roller.

You basically got two shots per "flick"- once when you brought your finger down, once when you brought it back up. I tried one, you could indeed get surprisingly fast- and fully field legal rates of fire out of it.

Tom made a small batch and sold them then asked for feedback. Everyone loved it. He asked on Automags Online: if I made more, would you guys buy it? Oh yeah, I'll fit one to very gun I have!

So Tom made a run of like 500 kits... and didn't sell a single one. Nobody bought one. It wasn't a case of not enough sold, NONE sold. Tom told me that a couple of years later, he sent the entire batch off for scrap.

The reason PE has such a market share, is virtually no one else can afford to enter the market. A new-model G7 or A1 or whatever, would wind up being an $1,800 gun, and sales would be nearly nonexistent. The only way to relaunch the company would be to have a sub-$900 Angel, and the only way to do that is to produce 50,000 of them. And there's just not a market for 50K Angels.

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Old 10-14-2019, 11:07 AM #23
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Old 10-14-2019, 12:54 PM #24
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:41 PM #25
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Yeah!

Bring back the Angels!!!

But smaller and modernized, shoot they could even make a Spool Valve Angel and I bet people would buy it.

I know I would lol...
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But at what what price point would bring quality and reliability of the trusted name? Surely they can’t come back after years with a $1200+ model and still think people will want one, would they? I know Adrenalin is all in shockers snazz now. But WDP would make a shocking and wicked comeback.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:18 PM #27
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Well yeah since you brought up Adrenaline and the fact that people are paying $1500 for what is basically an all metal, gas-thru Ion...

I think WDP could make and sell whatever and people would buy it. They always had mainly high end markers and products.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:36 PM #28
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That’s very true. It was half sarcastic and forgot the smiley lol v
It would be interesting to get with another custom anno house and do something similar.....say cobra’s resurgence Together maybe?
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:36 PM #29
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Yeah!

Bring back the Angels!!!

But smaller and modernized, shoot they could even make a Spool Valve Angel and I bet people would buy it.

I know I would lol...
A spool valve angel would not be an angel. What makes an angel an angel? By the time you are done modernizing one, it would become an ego.
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Old 10-15-2019, 06:08 AM #30
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Let’s be honest they were ahead of the game before they bowed out. They already had the digital screens and rechargeable batteries . Just bring back one of the old designs, lighten it up a bit. Updated board and screen and run the air through the frame and ur back in buisness. I mean I personally just loved the brand so I wouldn’t mind paying the 12-1500 dollar range. But hey it’s just a dream at this point.
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But which old design.
I’m a sucker for the OLD led/lcd/ir3 personally. Most people will say the newer were better. But I agree. Shorten it up, lighten it up. Make it idiot proof with tooless design. Am I missing anything?
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:12 AM #32
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They could keep it tri-tube and shrink the two lower tubes.

I’d prefer if the length was about the same, they definitely should be lighter and not as tall.

I agree that the older Angels were better.

Make it simple and reliable with wireless connections and the rest of the modern features.

A Spool Valve WDP marker might not qualify as an Angel but I’m sure people would still be interested...
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:28 AM #33
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I was more partial to the g7 fly or gat feeling. They had more angle on trigger grip compared the ir3. I mean really tho I’d be fine with any.
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They could keep it tri-tube and shrink the two lower tubes.

Id prefer if the length was about the same, they definitely should be lighter and not as tall.

I agree that the older Angels were better.

Make it simple and reliable with wireless connections and the rest of the modern features.

A Spool Valve WDP marker might not qualify as an Angel but Im sure people would still be interested...
Enoch board standard is a must. Unless someone creates one that is better and easier to adjust
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:36 PM #35
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You know, with the move from 9v to dual AA batteries, those lower tubes could serve a decent purpose.
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That is also true.
Could be the battery placement for the back half and front half, internal volumizers? Or...??? What else could be compact and useful to fit in there.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:43 PM #37
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LPR lol

Or maybe stuff the Solenoid in there instead of behind the Bolt.
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Well obviously an integrated lpr. But that’s one of the tubes, what about the other? If the back half is the two batteries side by side, just a larger lpr chamber? Super efficient?
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Old 10-18-2019, 06:51 AM #39
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Oh yeah lol...

Like I said they could put the Solenoid in there.

Having it there instead of behind the Bolt in the Upper Tube would allow for the markers to have a quick release Bolt out-the-back like Egos and Intimidators.

Although I kinda liked the Roto-Breech.

If they did put the Solenoid there the airflow paths would have to be changed. If they keep it Tri-Tube there would be lots of extra metal for air passages.

Or put the batteries in the front and Solenoid in the back of the lower Tube?

Just throwing ideas out lol...
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That sounds better to me honestly.
Two AA’s in the front half tubes.
In the rear, one will be the solenoid, the other the LpC, keeping the ANGEL signatory Roto breech for easy cleaning.
So far:
Front tubes: AA batteries.
Rear tubes: solenoid housing, lpc/ airflow passage.
Top tube: bolt/ engine
CPU: Enoch board/????
What else do we need on this Charlie?!?! Gotta find someone to pitch this **** too lol
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Im not sure?

There are some companies that in the past have been interested in releasing their own markers and would have the capability of doing a good job:

Exalt

Virtue/Bunkerkings

When BK released the CMD I joked to Max that he should start WDP back up again after he announced he was selling BK. I’m not sure if he saw my post or not or even if if’s something that he would be interested in?
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Who better to do it than him? Knew the platform inside and out, probably could get access to the patents also.
But the Exalt angel?
I mean for BK to have it would be very interesting, but not likely unfortunately.
Man I dlove to see this sooooo bad.
I know my dream project if I win the lotto big
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