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Old 05-17-2020, 12:01 AM #1
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Returning to the sport?

Hello all, I am thinking of making a return to the glory of paintball and paintball accessories, and so I turn to trusty PBN for advice. After reading through several threads and watching a handful of videos trying to catch up, I am still foggy in the area of modern compressed air tanks.

When I last played (12 years ago) I was not really familiar with the concept of 'burst disks' and would love for an advanced user to give me a quick rundown, if possible. Basically - to get down to it - I am considering jumping in and buying a tank and want to know what the deal is with standard/upgraded regulators. Back in my day, people didn't regularly swap out their compressed air tank regulators, to my knowledge.

Any guidance is appreciated. Please remove if I've posted is wrong subforum. Thanks fellas.
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Old 05-17-2020, 12:09 AM #2
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Ohh man, how much do you want to know? My first questions would be...
-what format do you want to play?
-how much do you want to spend on a marker tank hopper?
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Old 05-17-2020, 12:21 PM #3
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Ohh man, how much do you want to know? My first questions would be...
-what format do you want to play?
-how much do you want to spend on a marker tank hopper?
Interested in standard walk-on play and perhaps delving back into speedball. I’ve always preferred to play on small fields and have no milsim interest at this time.
How much has changed? What are the biggest differences?
My goal is to have two full working setups, one for me and one for my girl. Though she has never played so I’m not going to spend money until I know she enjoys it. Before I quit, I (unfortunately) sold most of my decent gear and bought a Dye PMR which I never used. I have a WIP halfblock autococker-pump that I never finished and I have a few decent hoppers + other related gear. Also my tanks are out of hydro so that’s really my #1 concern - getting a working tank so I can test out my old guns.
In terms of spending $$ on paintball, I’d be happy dropping a few hundred but don’t want to go crazy. Thanks for the reply mate
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:01 PM #4
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This is a great video explaining the 4 types of Ninja regs and how they can be adjusted. HK and Powerhouse also make adjustable regs. Ninja regs are available as a SLP (Super Low Pressure set at 300 psi), SHP (Super High Pressure adjustable to either 900 or 1100 psi), Standard (500psi, 650psi, or 800psi) and V2 Pro (adjustable from 450-800 psi also the only one that has the option to rotate the fill nipple and gauge so they don't stab your wrist).

From my understanding SLP would be great for Bob Long/Field 1 markers, SHP for Automags and then any other marker should work well with 450-800 psi.

Most bottles have a 15 year lifetime and need to be hydro'd every 5 years. Immortal Air is now making bottles that have something like a 38 year lifespan.

Burst disks help protect your reg/tank by venting at like 1.8k psi or 5k/7.5k psi in case something goes wrong like over pressurization so all that pressure doesn't go straight into your marker and the tank doesn't blow up. Tanks are also generally lighter than before.
Hope this helped.

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Old 05-17-2020, 01:57 PM #5
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Interested in standard walk-on play and perhaps delving back into speedball. Iíve always preferred to play on small fields and have no milsim interest at this time.
How much has changed? What are the biggest differences?
My goal is to have two full working setups, one for me and one for my girl. Though she has never played so Iím not going to spend money until I know she enjoys it. Before I quit, I (unfortunately) sold most of my decent gear and bought a Dye PMR which I never used. I have a WIP halfblock autococker-pump that I never finished and I have a few decent hoppers + other related gear. Also my tanks are out of hydro so thatís really my #1 concern - getting a working tank so I can test out my old guns.
In terms of spending $$ on paintball, Iíd be happy dropping a few hundred but donít want to go crazy. Thanks for the reply mate

ok so we have a budget, with out getting to crazy

If you playing rec/pickup ball just go with a standard 68/4500, it will give you decent shot counts. the new basic carbon tanks are way lighter than even the tanks from 4-5 years ago.

the Ninja Rival, HK aerolite, Valken Zero G, Empire Lites, and JT Lites, tanks are all the exact same bottle made by Gayston, Gayston also installs the Chinese clone regulator that is based off the original pure energy regulator which essentially is the reactor 2 regulator. all of these have a 15 year life span and need hydro static testing every 5 years.

the newer first strike bottles are a UN/ISO bottle that is very similar in size and weight to the above but have a potential 38 year life span and require testing every 5 years. also has the same Chinese clone reg.

all the above bottle regulators will have about an 800psi output. which is totally fine for most applications.

First strike also has the Hero, HK has the Aerolite Extra lite and Ninja has the SL2, these bottles are all lighter than the above and all have adjustable regulators (pressure and rotation clocking on the marker so the fill nipple isnt into your wrist). These will cost you about another 50-100% more and i think arent needed for what your after.

there are boutique reg manufactures out there like powerhouse but at this point that is not something you really need to concern yourself about.

i find when people offer up good used deals is because the bottle is near hydro or expired and they dont want to deal with it. and pass this along to the next guy.

the best bang for buck deal deal out right now is the basic first strike tank for $99 at ans, you could get 2 for $200 and be off to the races. yes they are 2 years in but theres 3 left and thats a ways away. for a modern 68 tank.
https://www.ansgear.com/First_Strike...basic-grey.htm
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Old 05-17-2020, 08:48 PM #6
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This is a great video explaining the 4 types of Ninja regs and how they can be adjusted. HK and Powerhouse also make adjustable regs. Ninja regs are available as a SLP (Super Low Pressure set at 300 psi), SHP (Super High Pressure adjustable to either 900 or 1100 psi), Standard (500psi, 650psi, or 800psi) and V2 Pro (adjustable from 450-800 psi also the only one that has the option to rotate the fill nipple and gauge so they don't stab your wrist).

From my understanding SLP would be great for Bob Long/Field 1 markers, SHP for Automags and then any other marker should work well with 450-800 psi.

Most bottles have a 15 year lifetime and need to be hydro'd every 5 years. Immortal Air is now making bottles that have something like a 38 year lifespan.

Burst disks help protect your reg/tank by venting at like 1.8k psi or 5k/7.5k psi in case something goes wrong like over pressurization so all that pressure doesn't go straight into your marker and the tank doesn't blow up. Tanks are also generally lighter than before.
Hope this helped.
Tons of info. Thank you kindly. I just needed a nudge in the right direction.
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Old 05-17-2020, 08:53 PM #7
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ok so we have a budget, with out getting to crazy

If you playing rec/pickup ball just go with a standard 68/4500, it will give you decent shot counts. the new basic carbon tanks are way lighter than even the tanks from 4-5 years ago.

the Ninja Rival, HK aerolite, Valken Zero G, Empire Lites, and JT Lites, tanks are all the exact same bottle made by Gayston, Gayston also installs the Chinese clone regulator that is based off the original pure energy regulator which essentially is the reactor 2 regulator. all of these have a 15 year life span and need hydro static testing every 5 years.

the newer first strike bottles are a UN/ISO bottle that is very similar in size and weight to the above but have a potential 38 year life span and require testing every 5 years. also has the same Chinese clone reg.

all the above bottle regulators will have about an 800psi output. which is totally fine for most applications.

First strike also has the Hero, HK has the Aerolite Extra lite and Ninja has the SL2, these bottles are all lighter than the above and all have adjustable regulators (pressure and rotation clocking on the marker so the fill nipple isnt into your wrist). These will cost you about another 50-100% more and i think arent needed for what your after.

there are boutique reg manufactures out there like powerhouse but at this point that is not something you really need to concern yourself about.

i find when people offer up good used deals is because the bottle is near hydro or expired and they dont want to deal with it. and pass this along to the next guy.

the best bang for buck deal deal out right now is the basic first strike tank for $99 at ans, you could get 2 for $200 and be off to the races. yes they are 2 years in but theres 3 left and thats a ways away. for a modern 68 tank.
https://www.ansgear.com/First_Strike...basic-grey.htm
Awesome response, thank you. I was looking at that exact deal just yesterday. But to be frank, there is a review for the tank in question that essentially led to me making this thread... here is the quote:

"Bought this tank a month ago and itís a decent tank. Itís very light weight and looks cool but itís definitely no ninja. Has cheap china made regulator so make sure to buy extra 1.8k burst disks youíll be blowing them a lot... seems like regulator canít hold Air well. Overall decent tank as a back up but Iíd spend the extra money on a ninja... American made everything !"

Is this some sort of fanboy/shill situation? Perhaps an inexperienced user overfilling their tank? Should I be buying extra disks? Lol this fella has me shook
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no properly functioning regulator should blow burst disks, sounds like his has a bad cone or reg seat. if this is the case first strike would be more than willing to help you out.
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no properly functioning regulator should blow burst disks, sounds like his has a bad cone or reg seat. if this is the case first strike would be more than willing to help you out.
Okay, thank you. What can I expect as far as failure rate? As in, I want this to go right the first time around, no RMA process. Would you recommend shelling out the extra coin for an rank with an American/adjustable reg?
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Okay, thank you. What can I expect as far as failure rate? As in, I want this to go right the first time around, no RMA process. Would you recommend shelling out the extra coin for an rank with an American/adjustable reg?
it really shouldnt be a thing, i just installed 80 of those regs onto our rental tanks and all of them seem fine so far. as with anything theres bound to be a bad one in the bunch somewhere. i will be ordering another 120 of those same regs shortly. after i rebuild 25 ninja basic regs.
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Okay, thank you. What can I expect as far as failure rate? As in, I want this to go right the first time around, no RMA process. Would you recommend shelling out the extra coin for an rank with an American/adjustable reg?
Always keep a cover on the fill nipple to avoid this. As long as the compressor providing the air is equipped with filters and moisture separators you should be good as no dirt or contamination will enter the bottle and ruin the reg.
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I'm going to pile on as I'm in a similar place. just getting back to the sport, have an unused myth reg I bought probably 2012/2013 (guessing I can't remember) and wondering if I should swap this onto the bottle I get with from First Strike?
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I wouldn’t bother, as the myth was so short you’d now need a reg extender of some sort,
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Highly recommend an adjustable bonnet even though it costs more. Having a fill nipple in the wrong spot sucks.
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Highly recommend an adjustable bonnet even though it costs more. Having a fill nipple in the wrong spot sucks.
Thanks for the advice. How come I never recall this being a problem 10-15 years ago? Have they changed the layout of the tanks/fill nipples such that they are a pain in the ***?
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Thanks for the advice. How come I never recall this being a problem 10-15 years ago? Have they changed the layout of the tanks/fill nipples such that they are a pain in the ***?
I don't think the layout has changed but macro line wasn't an issue 10 years ago. The hobby/sport's moved past certain norms. I returned after a 5 year hiatus and I was shocked at how much better gear is.

These days since I'm older with expendable income I never purchase used or older equipment. One because I risk a strange/undiagnosable issue that I wasn't made aware and two because I want to support my local store.
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