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Old 09-10-2020, 06:53 AM #2500
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I was able to get the dwell up to about 16.8 before I started getting drop off.
I see no point in *raising* the dwell much over stock, let alone that much. I'd be more interested in finding the floor than the "ceiling."
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The frame seem identical to me, but the F1 grips are a bit longer and wider. Iím sure the grips gave you that feeling. I prefer the grips and plan on getting a few for the Insight and three Vics I shoot from time to time.
Seconded. The F1 grips are really nice and I've swapped all of my BL markers over to them. The Force frame is dimensionally dead nuts to the BL frames. Noa, you're just feeling the difference in rubber grips. It's still a pretty thin setup so I'm not sure why you felt it was fat and wide. It's thinner than an LV or CS2 and very similar to a Prime.
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Old 09-10-2020, 08:30 AM #2501
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I see no point in *raising* the dwell much over stock, let alone that much. I'd be more interested in finding the floor than the "ceiling."

Seconded. The F1 grips are really nice and I've swapped all of my BL markers over to them. The Force frame is dimensionally dead nuts to the BL frames. Noa, you're just feeling the difference in rubber grips. It's still a pretty thin setup so I'm not sure why you felt it was fat and wide. It's thinner than an LV or CS2 and very similar to a Prime.
Non-marker related question for you. I'm planning to move to Indy in the next year (after March of 2021). What is a good field for competitive Xball near Indy? Whenever I lived in Indiana (Bloomington and Evansville area), we usually ended up going to Asylum because there weren't any fields with enough teams to practice consistently. Field of Dreams was a decent place to go but idk if that's around any more.
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Old 09-10-2020, 09:06 AM #2502
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I see no point in *raising* the dwell much over stock, let alone that much. I'd be more interested in finding the floor than the "ceiling."
Around 11ms is all I could get. This was rear SFR at 12 and front all the way forward. That had me shooting around a consistent 275ish, field limit is 280 where I play.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:01 AM #2503
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Non-marker related question for you. I'm planning to move to Indy in the next year (after March of 2021). What is a good field for competitive Xball near Indy? Whenever I lived in Indiana (Bloomington and Evansville area), we usually ended up going to Asylum because there weren't any fields with enough teams to practice consistently. Field of Dreams was a decent place to go but idk if that's around any more.
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Speedball and woodsball, along with Friday night speedball under the lights. Great field.
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Around 11ms is all I could get. This was rear SFR at 12 and front all the way forward. That had me shooting around a consistent 275ish, field limit is 280 where I play.
So you saw a noticeable drop at 11ms vs 11.5? That's surprising.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:17 AM #2504
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Speedball and woodsball, along with Friday night speedball under the lights. Great field.

So you saw a noticeable drop at 11ms vs 11.5? That's surprising.
Thanks! Are there tournament teams that play out of there?
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:55 AM #2505
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Speedball and woodsball, along with Friday night speedball under the lights. Great field.

So you saw a noticeable drop at 11ms vs 11.5? That's surprising.
It went mid 260's at 10.5ms. I might be grabbing more Air / Paint today, if so I'll try again tonight and confirm.
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Wouldn’t mind seeing Madman making a video based on tuning the LV1.6, or one from Imped. The new solenoid seems to warrant it.
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Old 09-12-2020, 03:03 PM #2507
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Wouldn’t mind seeing Madman making a video based on tuning the LV1.6, or one from Imped. The new solenoid seems to warrant it.
Tuning principles really wouldn’t change from the past LV1s, just perhaps the approximate settings you end up with after tuning it how you want.

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Old 09-12-2020, 03:18 PM #2508
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Tuning principles really wouldnít change from the past LV1s, just perhaps the approximate settings you end up with after tuning it how you want.
Correct. It changes nothing. The methodology to reaching final results is the same no matter what.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:43 AM #2509
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I got the pressure tester in today. This is what the settings look like for it

SFR's - 5 Rear /10 Front
Dwell - 11ms
LPR - 74PSI
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Gun was shooting a very consistent 274-277 at a scenario game this past weekend with Graffiti and Valken Pro.

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Old 09-17-2020, 05:52 AM #2510
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All this new stuff starting to drop in... does anyone care? Letís just make a quick list and add some other possible releases that would make sense, ie letís guess!

-Who all is tuning into Committed Paintballís live cast today? So a Geo 4, LV1.6, and an M170R will be getting the treatment?

-Who else thinks or senses a new CS dropping soon?

-Shocker Paintballís newest version should be announced soon, Iím assuming. Anyone interested in that one? Will SP have done enough to unseat the king of the mid tier category, the mighty Gtek 170R?

-Nothing from Dye that I know of. What would a new DSR interest you guys?

Just asking questions to drum up some conversation.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:21 AM #2511
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-Zero interest in whatever Committed is working on.

-A new CS is just a matter of time.

-I don't foresee any wholesale changes for the Shocker so meh.

-The DSR 2 should address my only concern(s) with the DSR

Speaking of Dye, it appears M2/M3 batteries are not available *anywhere.* I wonder what's going on there.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:53 AM #2512
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Speaking of Dye, it appears M2/M3 batteries are not available *anywhere.* I wonder what's going on there.
My teammate has had his m3+ down all year because they can't get him a new battery.
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That’s gotta be hugely frustrating. Hope Dye remedies that problem asap. I’d like to see Dye adopt the Field One strategy and start going the AA usage route with the option to convert it to rechargeable battery, and have the battery be something like the Luxe X uses.

Imped, I think you’ll see at least one big change in the new Shocker. Knowing you though, I don’t think you’ll like it.
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Have you guys seen any evidence that the Force is more gentle on paint than the competition? My next gun purchase will be based solely on how gentle the gun is on paint. I have had some really difficult days when playing in the dead of winter...days so difficult that air efficiency is really not even a consideration...I'd really just settle for something that will just shoot without breaking paint. I was thinking of getting a Torque or a Force, as both are reputed to be gentle.
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Iíd like to see Dye adopt the Field One strategy and start going the AA usage route with the option to convert it to rechargeable battery, and have the battery be something like the Luxe X uses.
This would involve a significant rework to the platform as well as a great deal of development costs on the electronics. There doesn't seem to be a compelling business case in the contracting economy. It is, however, on the list...
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Have you guys seen any evidence that the Force is more gentle on paint than the competition? My next gun purchase will be based solely on how gentle the gun is on paint. I have had some really difficult days when playing in the dead of winter...days so difficult that air efficiency is really not even a consideration...I'd really just settle for something that will just shoot without breaking paint. I was thinking of getting a Torque or a Force, as both are reputed to be gentle.
I donít think itís significantly better than the other high ends out there. Anecdotal, but Iíve had very good luck with the IV Core guns for paint handling. I attribute this to the ability to really slow down that forward speed on the bolt. Iíd imagine with the new soft tip bolt the Geo 4 is a pretty excellent paint handler.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:38 AM #2517
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Have you guys seen any evidence that the Force is more gentle on paint than the competition? My next gun purchase will be based solely on how gentle the gun is on paint. I have had some really difficult days when playing in the dead of winter...days so difficult that air efficiency is really not even a consideration...I'd really just settle for something that will just shoot without breaking paint. I was thinking of getting a Torque or a Force, as both are reputed to be gentle.
Youíve come to the right place... I feel like Iíve searched more then anyone else when it comes to finding the guns most gentle on paint, especially during the winter months.

First the Force-
My home field was receiving APX paint for the first time and that started in the beginning of this year. I found certain guns could not shoot it well. My buddy let me shoot his Force and it had the APX paint in it..... and it broke it. I was super disappointed to see that too. I really wanted to see the Force shoot it with no problems. Iíd like to get my own Force and test it more but from what I saw, I wouldnít trust it.

DSR
My ultimate. In the cold and humid months, paint becomes almost too brittle to shoot in my area. With a hundred percent confidence my DSR will shoot it without any problems whatsoever. Iíve seen my DSR not break any paint, not one single ball, for a full two years- rain, freezing temps, 99 percent humidity, tournaments, Woods, anything. You name it. The DSR was the only one that can shoot anything you put through it. The DSR is my backup now and I never go to the field without it.

Other great guns Iíve personally owned/used, and seen other owners who saw great results with brittle paint in the winter months ( no particular order btw ):

1) Shocker XLS
2) M3+
3) LV1
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This would involve a significant rework to the platform as well as a great deal of development costs on the electronics. There doesn't seem to be a compelling business case in the contracting economy. It is, however, on the list...
Ha yeah, easier said then done for sure. If we had to eliminate one option I think Iíd rather still use the disposable battery over the rechargeable.
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Have you guys seen any evidence that the Force is more gentle on paint than the competition? My next gun purchase will be based solely on how gentle the gun is on paint. I have had some really difficult days when playing in the dead of winter...days so difficult that air efficiency is really not even a consideration...I'd really just settle for something that will just shoot without breaking paint. I was thinking of getting a Torque or a Force, as both are reputed to be gentle.
I've seen folks make this claim as well. But if you look at the design objectively, there's really not much about it that supports those claims. It doesn't have a staged bolt, remarkably low bolt speed or force or some new advancement anywhere else. The bolt force is actually pretty high (fine as long as speed is controlled, like the Gamma or Axe), the ball is well-positioned in the breech without much movement between the bolt face and detents. So, it handles paint well, but not better than most other modern markers.
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Have you guys seen any evidence that the Force is more gentle on paint than the competition? My next gun purchase will be based solely on how gentle the gun is on paint. I have had some really difficult days when playing in the dead of winter...days so difficult that air efficiency is really not even a consideration...I'd really just settle for something that will just shoot without breaking paint. I was thinking of getting a Torque or a Force, as both are reputed to be gentle.
My Force is gentle on paint, but I think it has more to do with the pillow bolt than the way the engine works as Imped also said. I would not recommend the Luxe X either as it seems to be a little tougher on paint than some of my other high-ends. I would recommend the Geo 4, or any Gamma core marker, The DSR and M3+ are also very good with paint.

As for the new stuff ...
Committed twisters are boring to me ... nothing I have seen in the released pics yet makes me change that opinion.

I think it may be PBE or cup next year before we see a new CS. I have no doubt one is being designed and maybe already built, but with the CS2 mech frame coming, I believe they may want to give the CS2 a little more time as the top marker.

The shocker is "the worst marker ever made." Okay, they are decent, but I'm not interested in it in any way.

I am looking forward to the DSR2 if there is one ... we'll see. Again, I think it will be PBE or cup next year before we see anything new to replace the DSR or M3.

I'm sure Dye is running into a lot of the same issues with stocking items that a number of companies are. I ordered a new M3+ back in February and it showed up last week. So they have things rolling again, but they, like others are going to need time to catch up from the factory and supply chain issues.

This same pressure is another reason why everything has effectively been pushed back 6 months from multiple manufacturers.
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Out of curiosity, what are your concerns?
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