[Send1tt]

Haven't played paintball since the late 90's to very early 2000's and one of my new co workers is into it and I think I'd like to give it another shot. Found my old gun tucked away in storage and I have to admit it's in really good condition. I'd like to try and revive it if possible. Definitely going to buy a new gun which is where things get confusing.

Every gun seems to be the same now, what makes one better than another? They seem to all be small, fast shooting, and air efficient. What really makes them all different now? Dye is one of the only brands I am familiar with still making guns. Little surprised to see their new guns are $1600 and I'm fine spending that money on it if I'm getting that much value. Back when I bought this angel you had that and autocockers and a $1000+ went a long way.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Picture won't upload so here's a link https://imgur.com/gallery/wykUl3j

[Paul77]

Basically it comes down to feel. And what crazy features you want. What sort of stock barrel. All modern markers as you said are small, light, and efficient compared to years ago.

Dye has a few options out there
-csr $300
-dsr $800
-m3 $1500

The mid priced dsr is a great buy, and is used on the pro fields.

[Mr. Charlie]

^Agreed.

Also, Welcome Back!

I own the DSR and M3 series markers. In my opinion they are the best on the market in their respective “classes”.

The M3 series is pretty much the most advanced marker available with all of the features and technology they packed into it like the Recoil Cancellation (really works), UL-S barrel, Transducer, etc. I’d recommend getting a used one though as they can be found about half priced. The original M3s had problems with breaking paint, hence the M3+. All M3s can use all of the M3+ upgrades and most (if not all) should have at least the Bolt and Eye Pipe which help the most.

The DSR is similar in design to the Gamma Core so it’s super reliable and efficient. With the Flex Parts it is super quiet and smooth shooting too. With the same barrel it is even quieter than the M3 series. It’s definitely the “best” mid range Marker and is even better than some high ends in my opinion.

Planet Eclipse and MacDev also make some high quality, well designed Markers in their respective classes.

The new Field 1 Force looks interesting and was tested by Dynasty all year.

It really depends on what you want and what feels good to you.

I highly recommend the Dye Markers though, and get all the upgrades for them.


*Nice Angel by the way! People in the Marker section under APS should be able to help you get it running again if you’d like. Here is a link to the Angel section:

https://www.pbnation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138

[euphoria526]

That angel does look good, is it still running? Like Mr. Charlie said the aps forum has a ton of people who know how to get it up and running. Or if that’s not your thing you can always send it to east coast angel loo

[Paul77]

The only issue with the angel in today’s game is I’d almost be certain that when it was made in the BPS arms race, it won’t be able to go down to 10bps. Lots of good markers are stuck in this predicament.

[Mr. Charlie]

You can put a Board in the Angel that will go down to 10 bps.

[euphoria526]

Like the Enoch board
If I remember correctly the old WDP boards could go down to 10bps but I don’t remember going any less then that.

[Paul77]

You guys are right, at least with angels there is a board option. But most people arent willing to make that investment into an old marker, over just getting something current with easily accessible parts.

[Send1tt]

Originally Posted by Paul77

The only issue with the angel in today’s game is I’d almost be certain that when it was made in the BPS arms race, it won’t be able to go down to 10bps. Lots of good markers are stuck in this predicament.

What do you mean by down to 10 BPS? Is there a BPS limit in play these days?

[Paul77]

Originally Posted by Send1tt

What do you mean by down to 10 BPS? Is there a BPS limit in play these days?

Yes, and no. Most tournament play is regulated down to 10.2 bps or lower. At out field during open play we are using 10bps semi as a cap now. And during the big games 15bps semi.

Our 3v3 series is nxl 10.2 ramp, it’s whatever the field owners decide.

It limits overshooting and people’s feelings getting hurt. I know it’s crazy times for any of us that came up from the good old days of unlimited and men/whatever you identify as took their beatings and moved on.

[Send1tt]

Just because I don't remember what is possible bps if its not limited on semi auto with really fast trigger walking? Just trying to figure out how much they are limiting it?

[ekkthree]

yes, all guns are pretty good now and if you stick to the major brands, you'll see little difference in performance/efficiency/reliability.
people have their favorites and marketing will tell you otherwise, but in practice any differences mean close to nothing. if you don't get into boutiquey obscure brands you won't be disappointed.

fwiw, if we're talking about 1999 dollars, 1000 is almost the same as 1600 now, so consider it's no price increase

What cost $1000 in 1999 would cost $1526.61 in 2018.

Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2018 and 1999,
they would cost you $1000 and $649.94 respectively.

[MADMODDER]

Get that angel up and running!!!!!! Send off the barrel to get xl freak bored. Get a newer carbon tank. Pops asa and go paint faces !!!!

[CleverName]

Is that a KAPP Drop forward? I had one on my Matrix, loved it for the 88ci tank. :-D

[lifeadvanced001]

Originally Posted by MADMODDER

Get that angel up and running!!!!!! Send off the barrel to get xl freak bored. Get a newer carbon tank. Pops asa and go paint faces !!!!

That is exactly what I am doing this week. Sent my Speed off to get serviced, Enoch board installed, and looking at air setups. I have no idea I could get the stock barrel bored to fit the freak back. That is seriously the best thing I have heard this week. Thanks a lot man I appreciate the tip.