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Old 05-12-2020, 08:55 AM #85
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Those of you who choose to live in fear, how about you leave the rest of us alone....

Seriously, get out of our goddamn way as we drive drunk through a school zone. Our actions don't have consequences for others, and our freedom is not for sale.

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Old 05-12-2020, 09:38 AM #86
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So I'm getting back into playing and broke out my trusty Redz 3.2 pack which still fits perfectly from 2003. Hoped on Google to find out redz owners were arrested for kidnapping and raping an underage girl.... ummm... ok... I feel really weird now wtf?

Fields need to open pronto. I mean, we play in the woods shooting at each other, how much more social distant can you be? Just don't crowd around in the rest areas

edit: trying to de-badge the pack, these damn logos are sewn on here very well

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Old 05-12-2020, 09:42 AM #87
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Seriously, get out of our goddamn way as we drive drunk through a school zone. Our actions don't have consequences for others, and our freedom is not for sale.

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Ridiculous .

I don't like your opinion so I must attempt to shame you....

Good try, but still, pathetic.

Carry on.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:22 AM #88
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This is where I'm at mentally. South Korea had a week or two with zero (!!!) new cases, then all of a sudden someone asymptomatic spread it to a bunch of people and they're having to shut things down again. Not being patient just prolongs how long we'll be without the things we love. What exactly do we think will happen to businesses with an outbreak among the staff members? They'll have to shutter again and won't get any government assistance this time because "the economy is open".

I'm a high risk individual, so I'll be staying home other than for essentials probably until there's a vaccine because too few people are willing to go another month or two without a haircut.
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Ridiculous .

I don't like your opinion so I must attempt to shame you....

Good try, but still, pathetic.

Carry on.
The point of my first post which ruffled so many feathers was that the longer we try to go about our business as usual, the longer business won't be as usual. The long term impact on this sport will be catastrophic if we let this virus linger around all summer and fields have no choice but to shutter from either outbreaks among staff or aftershock waves of the virus among their customers. Most developed countries are at the point where they have this thing nearly put to bed. Hell, Wuhan of all places is testing all 11 million residents because something like 6 new cases popped up after going a month without any. The only way to get ahead of this, short of waiting another year+ for a vaccine, is to keep track of who's sick or asymptomatic and who they've potentially infected. We're a few days away from crossing 100,000 confirmed American deaths, and we're just now starting to see lots of hot spots in rural areas and small towns. I want nothing more than to return to normalcy, but that simply will not happen if entire factories are forced to suspend operations for several weeks because we're too proud to admit that maybe the folks warning us back in January and February about the need for widespread testing were on to something. And every single person has someone in their life who's at risk, whether it's an older parent, a grandparent, a friend with an organ transplant, a cousin with severe asthma, a coworker with a heart condition, or an overweight sibling. If people need to shame you into not putting them at risk of dying, then there's probably not a damn thing that will ever make you care about anyone but yourself.
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You missed my point.

All the news on this virus is fake, all of it.

Even the scarf queen on the presidents virus task force is now saying she doesn't trust a thing the CDC says , and she's the expert.

They based almost destroying the US economy on false models.

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Ah, I did miss the tinfoil hat. My bad.

Edit: It's wild to me that people sincerely believe that scientists all over the globe dedicate decades to studying incredibly specific topics so that they someday they might have the opportunity to make statements with inconvenient consequences to the general public. And that despite tens of thousands of individuals would need to be involved, not a single person has ever come forward to say here's a shred of evidence that there's a secret international plot to derail the US economy.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:46 AM #91
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Seriously, the anti science movement that's been festering on the internet is really sad. "I don't like what the science says, so it's all lies" lol. 4 million sick people and all of the doctors, staff, and admin taking care of them must all be in on the globablist plot? We can't even rely on the govt to get a check out in a month's time, how the **** do you think they are organized enough to hold an international conspiracy?

The real reason, it's easier to just believe it's all lies instead of believing the truth: Our government is nearly completely out of control of this situation and many others. You are looking at gross incompetence, not some master plot guys. The reopenings are because we can no longer contain the viruses like better organized countries.

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The point of my first post which ruffled so many feathers was that the longer we try to go about our business as usual, the longer business won't be as usual. The long term impact on this sport will be catastrophic if we let this virus linger around all summer and fields have no choice but to shutter from either outbreaks among staff or aftershock waves of the virus among their customers. Most developed countries are at the point where they have this thing nearly put to bed. Hell, Wuhan of all places is testing all 11 million residents because something like 6 new cases popped up after going a month without any. The only way to get ahead of this, short of waiting another year+ for a vaccine, is to keep track of who's sick or asymptomatic and who they've potentially infected. We're a few days away from crossing 100,000 confirmed American deaths, and we're just now starting to see lots of hot spots in rural areas and small towns. I want nothing more than to return to normalcy, but that simply will not happen if entire factories are forced to suspend operations for several weeks because we're too proud to admit that maybe the folks warning us back in January and February about the need for widespread testing were on to something. And every single person has someone in their life who's at risk, whether it's an older parent, a grandparent, a friend with an organ transplant, a cousin with severe asthma, a coworker with a heart condition, or an overweight sibling. If people need to shame you into not putting them at risk of dying, then there's probably not a damn thing that will ever make you care about anyone but yourself.
Nobody is calling out anybody for wanting to kill people over this virus.

I'm very sure you mean well but I think you are missing the point.
There is good reason for people to be very sceptical on the true numbers we are seeing from the CDC and the Feds. Some points that you need to think about, for about two weeks deaths in hospitals were being reported as COVID deaths though no post mortem testing was being done. Complete death information was not being reported, i.e. heath and age of patient at time of passing. Reports coming out of Illinois and New York that any death being brought before the coroner were categorized as COVID deaths regardless of the main cause. Also, New York added 3700 deaths to their totals without ANY information as to the cause or health condition of the persons.
Next, I would like to point out that you are claiming that we are days away from 100,000 deaths. I'm sorry that's just not true, current totals 81,634 with 836 deaths added yesterday. So we are not days away, more like weeks. We will hit 100,000 deaths but again I need to stress to you that we do not know if these numbers are correct due to the sheer panic that the media and society is in currently.
Also, I don't think you are taking into consideration some weird facts like, all pneumonia and flu death are being reported by the CDC as 0 as of March 21st. Failed reporting on recovered cases or reporting new cases and tested persons showing the anti-body present in their system but being reported as a positive COVID case.
Sit back and remove emotion from all of this and you will see that what is taking place was done wrong from day one. The quarantine show of been of those that have the greatest risk. You do not quarantine the healthy and the compromised together. Two weeks of slowed daily life but then returning back to a cautious normal, then allow fact and numbers to speak to what is going on when you have more information.

Look I am not trying to minimize the loss of life at all. But we routinely lose 64,000+ every year to the flu and pneumonia, you do not see anything of this magnitude happening at all.

We need to open back up and soon otherwise in a year when we all are celebrating a vaccine for COVID-19 we are finding out about the thousands of suicides that could have been prevented or the permanent damage to livelihoods and families.

I am saying this as somebody with AFIB.
Enough is enough, it is time for the grown-ups to start fixing this.
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I was kidding but I guess we do have some Q Anons in the house. :,(
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Seriously, the anti science movement that's been festering on the internet is really sad. "I don't like what the science says, so it's all lies" lol. 4 million sick people and all of the doctors, staff, and admin taking care of them must all be in on the globablist plot? We can't even rely on the govt to get a check out in a month's time, how the **** do you think they are organized enough to hold an international conspiracy?

The real reason, it's easier to just believe it's all lies instead of believing the truth: Our government is nearly completely out of control of this situation and many others. You are looking at gross incompetence, not some master plot guys. The reopenings are because we can no longer contain the viruses like better organized countries.
Actually you are mistaken, we are not anti-science. We are sceptical because if you remember when this all started the US was predicted to lose 2 million lives and the entire health care system would collapse, none of which happened. In fact where I live nurses and doctors have been laid-off since March. Two field hospitals were opened in April and have yet to care for one patient.

Lastly nobody does anything perfect when emotions run high. Hindsight is 20/20, but you do know it was the previous administration that allowed the nation health safety net to be diminished. The current administration did not cut any funding and responded in kind to aid where needed.
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I was kidding but I guess we do have some Q Anons in the house. :,(
Most of us are not QAnons, myself included. We just do what most will not.
Do the research for ourselves.
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Actually you are mistaken, we are not anti-science. We are sceptical because if you remember when this all started the US was predicted to lose 2 million lives and the entire health care system would collapse, none of which happened. In fact where I live nurses and doctors have been laid-off since March. Two field hospitals were opened in April and have yet to care for one patient.

Lastly nobody does anything perfect when emotions run high. Hindsight is 20/20, but you do know it was the previous administration that allowed the nation health safety net to be diminished. The current administration did not cut any funding and responded in kind to aid where needed.
You do realize that was the point of the quarantine right?... To prevent those things, which it did...
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Look I am not trying to minimize the loss of life at all. But we routinely lose 64,000+ every year to the flu and pneumonia, you do not see anything of this magnitude happening at all.
I'm not going to change your mind on most of your points, but literally hundreds of millions of americans get flu vaccines every year to help limit that number from being higher. Most people are not at risk themselves for anything other than a week of feeling ****ty, but doing something to not put grandma in harm's way is something we routinely do.
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There is good reason for people to be very skeptical on the true numbers we are seeing from the CDC and the Feds... [conjecture and anecdotes]
Also, I don't think you are taking into consideration some weird facts like, [more unsourced rambling]

Look I am not trying to minimize the loss of life at all. [proceeds to minimize life]

We need to open back up and soon otherwise [presents all/nothing argument]

I am saying this as somebody with AFIB.
In my mind, this is what I read. Which reminded me a little of this:

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Bro, let's share some of that research for peer review amirite?
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Anyone that thinks the point of the lockdowns is to eliminate the virus is mistaken. It was to flatten the curve to reduce overwhelming hospitals and give time for the hospitals to become better prepared for future infections until herd immunity and a vaccine is in place.
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Anyone that thinks the point of the lockdowns is to eliminate the virus is mistaken. It was to flatten the curve to reduce overwhelming hospitals and give time for the hospitals to become better prepared for future infections until herd immunity and a vaccine is in place.
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Here's the actual research:

Lung damage similar to SARS, looking to be permanent or long lasting (years) for people that were even mildly symptomatic or even asymptomatic. Proven quarantine results showing decline in cases based on widespread testing. The numbers are all right at your fingertips, but the mental gymastics go on until "it's fake news" because someone else drew a conclusion on the data for them on youtube. I'm frankly tired of having this fight with people refusing to look at the data if the conclusion is drawn by someone they don't like.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7152865/

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.11...iol.2020200843

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098028/

https://www.e-epih.org/journal/view.php?number=1078

https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/...sion.4 3.aspx
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Here's the actual research:

Lung damage similar to SARS, looking to be permanent or long lasting (years) for people that were even mildly symptomatic or even asymptomatic. Proven quarantine results showing decline in cases based on widespread testing. The numbers are all right at your fingertips, but the mental gymastics go on until "it's fake news" because someone else drew a conclusion on the data for them on youtube. I'm frankly tired of having this fight with people refusing to look at the data if the conclusion is drawn by someone they don't like.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7152865/

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.11...iol.2020200843

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7098028/

https://www.e-epih.org/journal/view.php?number=1078

https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/...sion.4 3.aspx
Did you actually read these studies or just post them? Your statement on lasting lung damage is ridiculous considering it only studied 58 people who all had previous exposure to SARS-COV-2.

Here's 3 reports about antibody studies done in the US that indicate a much larger chunk of the population has already contracted Covid-19 then our testing indicates. Larger studies need to be done to confirm but this would severely drive down our estimated rate of death among other statistics.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN2270RX

https://ktla.com/news/california/sta...-clara-county/

https://www.livescience.com/covid-an...york-test.html
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^^^ We can certainly agree that we need more testing. Aside from flattening the curve, the other main goal of the lock downs was to buy time to ramp up testing and contact tracing capabilities. Instead, we sat in our homes for two months and are not in a much different situation than we were at the onset. The countries that have been successful in getting through this quickly all have widespread testing in common.
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Do some actual research on economic science and see how those numbers and data add up.
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