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Old 05-13-2020, 08:14 AM #232
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Did a little searching because this conversation seemed eerily familiar, and this thread came up

https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3507340

Looks like the community established along time ago that anything with "Naphthenic Oil" is a big no no for lubricating Paintball markers. This is the reason why Field One no longer recommends the use of Tri-Flow in their markers because it contains Heavy Naphthenic Oil which is a solvent. Traditionally this compound is used to prevent bicycle chains from rusting and breaking loose rusted bolts. It is also a component in WD-40! With that said, my tub of ultrasilk will be used to lube those pesky Angel Breech rods that tend to seize over time.
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Old 05-13-2020, 09:17 AM #233
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I'm currently using Ultra Silk in my Emek as well as two of my autocockers. Minimal usage so far but I'll report back with my findings. I'm especially curious to see how it performs in the Emek over time.
What do you plan to learn with an Emek as the test bed? You've got a high-shift force bolt system that couldn't care less about lubricant type, lubricant frequency or lubricant presence. Your findings will be zilch.

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My man, there is no ďtheorizingĒ on what I said. Petroleum is a solvent and it eats most plastics, that is 100% indisputable fact. I am asking what the owner is planning on doing regarding this when we have a Hater Sauce 2.0 and a bunch of peoples markers are trashed by this lubricant.
Exactly. I'm not sure why there is such a high level of misunderstanding here.
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Did a little searching because this conversation seemed eerily familiar, and this thread came up

https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3507340

Looks like the community established along time ago that anything with "Naphthenic Oil" is a big no no for lubricating Paintball markers. This is the reason why Field One no longer recommends the use of Tri-Flow in their markers because it contains Heavy Naphthenic Oil which is a solvent. Traditionally this compound is used to prevent bicycle chains from rusting and breaking loose rusted bolts. It is also a component in WD-40! With that said, my tub of ultrasilk will be used to lube those pesky Angel Breech rods that tend to seize over time.
Angel breech rods are probably a perfect application for this.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:11 PM #234
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So I did my own little experiment. I have no bias here, I just wanted to see for myself.

2 weeks ago, I took 2 fresh identical o-rings from my PE parts kit. I covered them both in lube, 1 with the PE lube and 1 with Ultraslick.

The one covered in PE lube is normal. The one covered in Ultraslick is significantly weaker now. It feels like an o-ring thats been used and stretched.

I made a video. Not the greatest but maybe you can see what I'm talking about.
The 1st O-ring i pick up is the PE, the 2nd is the Ultraslik. You can see how much weaker the Ultraslik o-ring is just after a couple weeks of sitting untouched.


Overall, I would never use this in my gun unless you lube the night before you play and clean it off after youre done playing for the day. I will stick to my PE lube and lubing/cleaning the bolt 3-4 times a year.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:25 PM #235
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So I did my own little experiment. I have no bias here, I just wanted to see for myself.

2 weeks ago, I took 2 fresh identical o-rings from my PE parts kit. I covered them both in lube, 1 with the PE lube and 1 with Ultraslick.

The one covered in PE lube is normal. The one covered in Ultraslick is significantly weaker now. It feels like an o-ring thats been used and stretched.

I made a video. Not the greatest but maybe you can see what I'm talking about.
The 1st O-ring i pick up is the PE, the 2nd is the Ultraslik. You can see how much weaker the Ultraslik o-ring is just after a couple weeks of sitting untouched.


Overall, I would never use this in my gun unless you lube the night before you play and clean it off after youre done playing for the day. I will stick to my PE lube and lubing/cleaning the bolt 3-4 times a year.
I lubed up an autococker 3-way with some a few weeks back and haven't touched the gun since then. I might have to pull the shaft out of there and see what it looks like now.
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Old 05-15-2020, 09:38 AM #236
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I lubed up an autococker 3-way with some a few weeks back and haven't touched the gun since then. I might have to pull the shaft out of there and see what it looks like now.
Ohh yesss. Im curious to know.
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Old 05-18-2020, 08:51 AM #237
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Ohh yesss. Im curious to know.
Donít mind the different color o-rings the orange one is a McMaster special. I shot the gun this weekend a little at the chrono since I hadnít had a chance since building it this winter. The 3-way worked fine as far as I could tell. No leaks and when I pulled the shaft out to look at it and check the o-rings they felt fine. Keep in mind though Shocktech o-rings are silicone and no o-ring lube is good for all compounds. I put a little on some buna o-rings in an old (Ď97) cocker 3-way I rebuilt this weekend so Iíll give that a couple weeks and check back on it.
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:10 PM #238
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This stuff works really great on metal to metal areas and seems like a great cocker grease in general (three-way, LPR, etc ). I usually run a dab of oil on my pump rods but have started using the sample in this area. Much smoother stroke and it seems light enough to not attract a ton of debris. I think it definitely has some useful applications, you just have to be cognizant of where you are using it. I haven't noticed the o-ring softening thing but I also haven't really removed my 3 way/lpr seals to check. I have avoided using this on any urethane seals or plastic components.

For the Triflow discussion above, I still run it on my poppets with exposed bolt (exclusively on the bolt o-rings). It does a better job of keeping the breach/bolt clean of gunk and debris than pretty much anything else I've tried (probably the solvent). I am sure I am sacrificing some longevity on the bolt/o-rings but those are pretty heavy wear and tear items to begin with. Can't say I have ever had an o-ring crap out or anything using it either.
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