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09-03-2009, 02:10 PM
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#274
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Originally Posted by warbeak2099
Unless they somehow massively increased the density of the fill in the .50 cal balls, a .50 cal paintball is not and never will be as ballistically sound as a .68 cal. In short, just like everything else SP has anything to do with, this is utter and complete bull**** hype/spin. Sorry, .50 cal paint is not as accurate and it won't go further. There may be efficiency increases, but that's about it. Mega fail
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Supposedly they've figured out how to add more weight/density to the 50 cal paintballs. Supposedly some new type of fill that is thicker/heavier then traditional paint.
If that is true then a smaller surface area with the same weight/density would mean that it would be more ballistically sound as a 50 cal paintball will have less surface area/resistance then a 68 cal paintball.
If that is true though then air savings should be slight...as you still have to accelerate that weight up to 300 fps and if its the same weight as a 68 ball then it should be similar in air consumption...minus the decrease in resistance to a smaller ball.
If it a smaller ball with less resistance but equal weight it will go farther due to the less resistance.
If its a smaller ball with equal weight/density that hit is going to hurt a lot more. The same weight striking a smaller surface area = greater concentration of energy into a smaller area.
It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. If the major marker manufacturers are on board and the paint manufacturers are on board then it will be a matter of the players choosing...if they have a choice in which size paint to use.
If they don't then the only result will be a vote with the wallet.
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09-03-2009, 02:11 PM
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#275
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.50 cal weights less than .68 cal, ofcourse it should use less air to propel the paint out of the barrel. the question is does it leave enough paint to someone after shooting them? specially when it breaks on an angle.
since its smaller in bore size. what are the chances of the bolt hitting the ball thats on top of the one thats about to be fired. how much chances of ball chops compare to .68 cal paint?
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09-03-2009, 03:02 PM
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#276
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WHY THE **** DON'T THEY THINK oF A PRODUCTIVE WAY TO CREATE QUALITY PAINTBALLS FOR CHEAPER IN .68???????
i'm sure it can be done
everything from guns, loaders, ect have to be redesigned for .50
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09-03-2009, 03:08 PM
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#277
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocR
Supposedly they've figured out how to add more weight/density to the 50 cal paintballs. Supposedly some new type of fill that is thicker/heavier then traditional paint.
If that is true then a smaller surface area with the same weight/density would mean that it would be more ballistically sound as a 50 cal paintball will have less surface area/resistance then a 68 cal paintball.
If that is true though then air savings should be slight...as you still have to accelerate that weight up to 300 fps and if its the same weight as a 68 ball then it should be similar in air consumption...minus the decrease in resistance to a smaller ball.
If it a smaller ball with less resistance but equal weight it will go farther due to the less resistance.
If its a smaller ball with equal weight/density that hit is going to hurt a lot more. The same weight striking a smaller surface area = greater concentration of energy into a smaller area.
It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. If the major marker manufacturers are on board and the paint manufacturers are on board then it will be a matter of the players choosing...if they have a choice in which size paint to use.
If they don't then the only result will be a vote with the wallet.
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09-03-2009, 07:03 PM
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#278
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It was widely accepted by all of the major Paintball companies back in the early 90's that a 50. cal. Paintball would not work, hence why they decided on and went to a standard .68 Caliber. Yet we are here today with the Likes of SP trying to completely change the industry to 50. Cal. Paintballs?
We need to stand up against this and stop it!
Last edited by steve_81 : 09-03-2009 at 07:06 PM.
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09-03-2009, 07:04 PM
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68 cal balls bounce enough as it is... 50 cal balls will only be harder to break.
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09-05-2009, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by L337PwNaGe
WHY THE **** DON'T THEY THINK oF A PRODUCTIVE WAY TO CREATE QUALITY PAINTBALLS FOR CHEAPER IN .68???????
i'm sure it can be done
everything from guns, loaders, ect have to be redesigned for .50
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i totally agree.. you have to change loaders, barrels, bolt update (not upgrade)... everything has to be change meaning more money will have to be spent on the industry that stuck with the .68 cal for more than a decade.
to me, it looks like the company is trying to make more money for being cheap. the company will try to drive the consumer to convert. its up to consumer (us!) if that happens...
it will take time to convert everyone that plays paintball to jump on a band wagon. by then more than enough ppl would have probably quit.
EDIT: come to think of it, this would be a competetion to paintball company that makes .68 cal. i wonder if they would also jump on the band wagon or lower their own prices to compete.
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09-11-2009, 04:09 PM
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#281
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09-13-2009, 12:05 PM
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how is it going to make paintball more affordable?? i own a 1,200$ ego, 150$ rotor, 160$ tank (tanks would prob be smaller cause there no need to hold all that weight if the guns are more efficient)...along with a couple other guns totaling in another 1,000$ and other hoppers and tanks and barrel kits. And if this becomes standard i gotta respend all that money again to save what 25$ a case at most??? GTFO.
And i dont even have that much gear, i kno some ppl have tons of guns and gear...this is redic...unless the change is so incredible slow this will turn ppl away.
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09-16-2009, 07:24 AM
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My guess is, that this new .50 cal ball is going to decent. I can't see them rolling this out without extensive testing to ensure its marketability. Technology in terms of manufacturing and materials has probably progressed quite a bit since the early 90s (^^^^^), but that should be a given. You can rest assured, there are plenty of companies and individuals(^) with large amounts of money invested in .68 caliber paintball and it won't go anywhere anytime soon. But if you look at the sport as a whole, in order to keep it viable fields have to be able to stay in operation. If they can keep their same paint margins, but sell 1.5-2x more paint due to people shooting/playing more for the same price, it's good for the sport. I'll be honest, I don't typically purchase field paint because I can get better paint for the price, and I feel bad about it every time, but I like to shoot paint that flies straight and breaks on impact and I don't like to pay $60/case to get that. Basic physics tells you that a .50 cal ball WILL be more ballistically sound than a .68 cal ball of similar mass. I don't personally relish the idea of having to buy new equipment, but if a viable .50 caliber option is there when I do decide to buy a new marker, I will likely go that route. My prediction, pending proof of similar breaking characteristics of the .50 caliber ball, is that the sport will migrate over the next decade and it will become the new standard.
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09-18-2009, 03:26 PM
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#284
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L337PwNaGe
WHY THE **** DON'T THEY THINK oF A PRODUCTIVE WAY TO CREATE QUALITY PAINTBALLS FOR CHEAPER IN .68???????
i'm sure it can be done
everything from guns, loaders, ect have to be redesigned for .50
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Hate to break it to you but paint is cheaper than it has ever been, in fact paint was too low for a short time there and all the companies had to raise their prices.
At this point in time .68 caliber paintballs sell for not that much more than raw material and packaging costs.
Want paintball to be cheaper? Shoot less.
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09-18-2009, 06:10 PM
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#285
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.50 is the greatest hoax every perpetrated on the American people.
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09-19-2009, 09:05 AM
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#286
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If there is no decline in performance then it can only be a good thing.
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09-20-2009, 01:44 PM
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#287
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Originally Posted by AfterBang
.50 is the greatest hoax every perpetrated on the American people.
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Right up there with 9/11 and scientology....
I will agree with you if the claims are not delivered on. We'll see in about a month.
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09-25-2009, 02:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt_Carnage
I can see this being developed alongside with .68 cal still going on. Just as kind of a side-show. If it's benefits are large enough, teams will see that and choose to go there. As long as people don't drop .68 cal altogether and ban it from leagues or anything, it should be good. Especially if they were to allow .50 cal and .68 cal to compete in the same tourney leagues.
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pretty much slowly adapting to it, u don't have to sell ur current gun now and go right to 50, but once u can / do upgrade then buy a .50 cal instead, I'm not good at explaining things
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09-25-2009, 01:29 PM
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#290
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i cant lose
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like every one is saying this might help keep the cost of paint down but what about us who shoot 1200 dollar guns. changing out guns would be just as expensive or more than shooting the .68
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09-25-2009, 04:30 PM
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#291
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Don't be a hater. LOL
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Also, how is this going to increase new player participation? Little Jimmy shows up with his 50 cal and rental gear while I'm there with my 68 cal and gear designed around 68 cal. Next to all the 68 guns the 50s will look like toys.
Anyone agree with me?
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09-28-2009, 10:16 AM
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Another aspect of the arguement, they will still need new manufaturing die's and at least modify the process. Will the saving in paint fill volume, and shell surface area?
The change IMO is pretty small, and I really cant see it bringing the price down too much, deff not at first.
Gotta goto work, maybe someone wants to do the math
v=4/3(pie)(r^3)
a=4(pie)r^2
cant be much though...
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09-29-2009, 09:25 AM
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#293
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i cant lose
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yeah i think all in all this is a dumb idea. there is nothing wrong with the .68 and if they ever wanted to change the caliber this economy is not the right time to do so.
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09-29-2009, 03:22 PM
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#294
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obviously the change would be gradual. they're not going to just stop making 68 paintballs and tell everybody they gotta upgrade/change in order to play. that's like rolling out compressed air and then stopping the production of co2 tanks right away and telling people they can't play without HPA.
if it truly is an innovation that betters the sport of paintball, so be it.
if everything was always kept the same because at one point people thought it was the best way, then nothing would change.
as time goes on, there is more technology, more ideas, etc.
and to all of you who are sitting there talking like you're some kind of paintball expert .... please stop. most of you are just regular paintball players. maybe you're out of college with an engineering degree. doesn't mean you know jack about what they're doing. let the experts do what they're gonna do, and once they actually have a product, we can make a real judgement.
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