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Old 03-10-2017, 08:29 PM #85
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Yeah I can see where the the Winter paint would confuse people but it's just an ad showcasing the paint.

I am serious about doing a video. I might just fly to Montreal to pull paint directly off the line and get more inside information on the science of making the different grades as they are intended for the customer.
Don't pull fresh paint off the line. Ship it to Florida in real world conditions and shoot it there.
Funny story .. the marbalizer they're getting in Florida is supposedly very nice paint(it's a diffferent shell entirely thoifg, too.). The stuff we get in the Midwest is not so nice.
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kinda satisfying to watch actually
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:23 PM #87
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kinda satisfying to watch actually
or the 4k version by GI...



I don't understand why the drying trays are flat... would that make a flat spot as it dries? Why would they have dimpled sheets that support the entire hemisphere of the paintball
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:34 PM #88
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or the 4k version by GI...
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I just noticed in the GI how its made video they are showing themselves infringing on the KEE marb patent at 3:43. Video was uploaded November 14th 2014 and GI didn't acquire KEE until July 24th 2015.

https://youtu.be/cbuwu51kdw4?t=3m43s
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I just noticed in the GI how its made video they are showing themselves infringing on the KEE marb patent at 3:43. Video was uploaded November 14th 2014 and GI didn't acquire KEE until July 24th 2015.

https://youtu.be/cbuwu51kdw4?t=3m43s
http://blog.gisportz.com/gi-sportz-a...action-sports/
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Old 03-11-2017, 10:47 AM #92
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Unfortunately, I do not think just releasing a new box design will not cut it to really win people over. As a paying customer who buys only high grade paint (5 star, Evil, Ultra Evil, Premium Gold), who does not use hookups and pays full price, you have to earn my trust and business again. It does not concern me that there cost-cutting money grab blew up in their face, they should have experimented and consulted/tested with their pro teams/fields instead of wasting paying customers' time and money. To win back my trust and business, they could do some of the following:

*Own up to their mistake and publicly acknowledge it
*Release quality paintballs
*Discount pricing by say 5-10 a case for 6 months or so as a show of faith (you did waste our money after all), taking it out of GI Sportz/ not dealer profit
*Bring paint production back to Canada and United States.
*If you really need to increase costs, explain/prove it, I do not mind paying a little more if it is truly needed and not to just increase profit/recoup after Kee buyout.
*You can save money by not needing as flashy of a box, I would be fine with plain boxes boxes instead
*Cut out the BS lawsuits against Valken and APX paintballs
*And most important, shave Nick Slowiak's beard.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:15 PM #93
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Does going back to the old formula mean we should expect paint that's sized closer to .69 inch vs .67 inch?
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As someone who does not play tournaments I am curious how the lower end rec compares to other lower end rec paint.
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Unfortunately, I do not think just releasing a new box design will not cut it to really win people over. As a paying customer who buys only high grade paint (5 star, Evil, Ultra Evil, Premium Gold), who does not use hookups and pays full price, you have to earn my trust and business again. It does not concern me that there cost-cutting money grab blew up in their face, they should have experimented and consulted/tested with their pro teams/fields instead of wasting paying customers' time and money. To win back my trust and business, they could do some of the following:

*Own up to their mistake and publicly acknowledge it
*Release quality paintballs
*Discount pricing by say 5-10 a case for 6 months or so as a show of faith (you did waste our money after all), taking it out of GI Sportz/ not dealer profit
*Bring paint production back to Canada and United States.
*If you really need to increase costs, explain/prove it, I do not mind paying a little more if it is truly needed and not to just increase profit/recoup after Kee buyout.
*You can save money by not needing as flashy of a box, I would be fine with plain boxes boxes instead
*Cut out the BS lawsuits against Valken and APX paintballs
*And most important, shave Nick Slowiak's beard.
Nick should correct me if I am wrong but isn't all GI/KEE paint just produced out of Quebec now? The last time I saw China/Taiwan balls from GI/KEE was back before the acquisition of KEE and they shut down the Florida paint site. But KEE still produced their higher grade paint from Ontario.

Like I said before, if GI is now going back to a real Draxxus formula, that would be great. But before them making this announcement I thought they bought Draxxus in order to make Draxxus quality paint
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:29 PM #96
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Draxxus always was great paint to use. When Dark sportz was introduced it was already crappy paint, still is under the GI name. Inconsistent as hell.

The 1 star is always extremely dimpled or oily. We just can't get decent batches here in the Netherlands. I've seen much better paint for less money from Valken and Proshar.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:35 AM #97
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As a recent update for this... I shot recently manufactured/boxed Marbillizer while at a practice recently. White shell with dark stripes.

.683 at the seam down to .675 at the narrowest point. Overbored all day at .689 through a GEO and didn't break any thankfully. Ran it through a cocker when I got home at .680 and was having barrel breaks as it squeezed a seam.
Hard shell with some bounces everyone was noticing though to it's credit it did fly straight. Weird to see though because the Marbs under KEE were a mid-high grade paint, seems it's down to just being a practice or field grade now :/

The thing I was/am/still hoping for is just some consistency in the product from the GI factories, it simply isn't something my past experiences with GI paint have given me.
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HK paint.. I've had 5 cases of it at practice. Only one was able to be shot out of my guns. I tried an ego, geo, etek, dm, axe, and not a single one could shoot the paint without breaking every other ball.

GI and valken are the only solid paint brands around me
My team recent became an HK team so I was pretty worried about all of the horror stories about the paint but I have had no issues thus far. Yet to play a tournament but what I've used for practice as shot well.
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Old 03-12-2017, 03:43 PM #99
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:19 PM #100
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Last few different batches of 5-Star I've shot have been great. They were all indoor, fresh stuff, but great.

Hopefully Marbs get better, stuff has been brutal lately for rec ball.
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Funny story .. the marbalizer they're getting in Florida is supposedly very nice paint(it's a diffferent shell entirely thoifg, too.). The stuff we get in the Midwest is not so nice.

The stuff in Florida is like APX, shoots great if used immediately, but has no shelf life.
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Unfortunately, I do not think just releasing a new box design will not cut it to really win people over. As a paying customer who buys only high grade paint (5 star, Evil, Ultra Evil, Premium Gold), who does not use hookups and pays full price, you have to earn my trust and business again. It does not concern me that there cost-cutting money grab blew up in their face, they should have experimented and consulted/tested with their pro teams/fields instead of wasting paying customers' time and money. To win back my trust and business, they could do some of the following:

*Own up to their mistake and publicly acknowledge it Which msitakes?
*Release quality paintballs I'd say the majority are of good to better quality
*Discount pricing by say 5-10 a case for 6 months or so as a show of faith (you did waste our money after all), taking it out of GI Sportz/ not dealer profit. Why do this?
*Bring paint production back to Canada and United States. It never left Canada
*If you really need to increase costs, explain/prove it, I do not mind paying a little more if it is truly needed and not to just increase profit/recoup after Kee buyout. Costs are increasing?
*You can save money by not needing as flashy of a box, I would be fine with plain boxes boxes instead They like to change the boxes every few years, just good marketing (I don't personally are for the new designs)
*Cut out the BS lawsuits against Valken and APX paintballs I mean, any business would do the same
*And most important, shave Nick Slowiak's beard.Hey meow
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Does going back to the old formula mean we should expect paint that's sized closer to .69 inch vs .67 inch?
I am going to Montreal soon and will some more info on sizing.

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If i remember correctly(and Im pretty sure memory serves me right) When GI did start it was a complete separate entity from DXS paintball. (speculation now) Im sure there was also a non compete provision in a contract with owners or executives between the two entities that had to be abided by that they could not use the DXS formulas well until at least the merger between Procaps and GI happend. Wouldnt surprise me though Exciting things happening up there
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To my knowladge there is no manufactures that include a born date on skids or shipments of paint. Its not that beneficial, you have paint like Valken thats made over in ASIA without it all they have is Gel packs. I believe their paint just comes over on shipping containers.

GI ships/ drives it from Canada in a temp controlled truck to the nearest GI warehouse to you/ your store or field. It all comes down to storage you can have paint thats 3 months old stored in a proper warehouse thats all climate controlled and will shoot fantastic. OR you can have 1 month old paint stored well wherever , in someones farm shed for example that will shoot like complete garbage. It comes down to the storage not the age.
Each case does come with a SKU number. Those can tell us when that paint was made.

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Hey Nick. So does this mean there is no longer a paint factory in Quebec Canada? I was under the impression that is where the 4 and 5 star was being made....

Ohh and also, is 1 through to 5 star all being made in the USA?
GI/Empire and other brands are made in Montreal, same original Procaps/DXS/ plant. To my knowledge zero paint is made in the US.

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Funny story .. the marbalizer they're getting in Florida is supposedly very nice paint(it's a diffferent shell entirely thoifg, too.). The stuff we get in the Midwest is not so nice.
The marbs I shot at O'Hare last weekend worked fine for me.

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or the 4k version by GI...



I don't understand why the drying trays are flat... would that make a flat spot as it dries? Why would they have dimpled sheets that support the entire hemisphere of the paintball
The paint needs to dry and while on those trays cool, humidity free air is being blown over them. A dimpled sheet would prevent that. I asked the same thing I saw that when I was up there one of the first times. They've tried it.

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Nick should correct me if I am wrong but isn't all GI/KEE paint just produced out of Quebec now? The last time I saw China/Taiwan balls from GI/KEE was back before the acquisition of KEE and they shut down the Florida paint site. But KEE still produced their higher grade paint from Ontario.

Like I said before, if GI is now going back to a real Draxxus formula, that would be great. But before them making this announcement I thought they bought Draxxus in order to make Draxxus quality paint
The majority of GI/Empire is made in Montreal. I believe some might still be made in Asia due to a contract and or supply needs.
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As I've said before, my local sources only supply non-gi, so this doesn't impact me.

Having said that and removing my feelings on the litigation stuff, if they made better, cheaper paintballs for us players, great. If not, cut the marketing stuff and go make better, cheaper paintballs.
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Funny story .. the marbalizer they're getting in Florida is supposedly very nice paint(it's a diffferent shell entirely thoifg, too.). The stuff we get in the Midwest is not so nice.
The marbs I shot at O'Hare last weekend worked fine for me.
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Haven't been since NCPA, and the marbs were laughable consistency there. I bored a 685 shaft FL, and everybody had freak inserts from 675 upto 691, and was asking around for a bigger insert.

I'll have to find the picture I snapped of all of the oil that was left in my spire after shooting a little under 2 cases of paint, one guy asked if my spire blended paint I had to shake my head and say "no it's just oily paint check your loader"

My gripes come from the quality of the high end GI paint, I just can't fathom how their highest end paint is so inconsistent and doesn't break where it's supposed to. I haven't had the pleasure(or displeasure) or shooting anything less than Marbalizer. The Draxxus stuff was pleasantly surprising but as suggested earlier are different balls entirely.
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My gripes come from the quality of the high end GI paint, I just can't fathom how their highest end paint is so inconsistent and doesn't break where it's supposed to. I haven't had the pleasure(or displeasure) or shooting anything less than Marbalizer. The Draxxus stuff was pleasantly surprising but as suggested earlier are different balls entirely.
I'd have to say their 4/5 Star at every national event from 2010 to now has been the best.
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