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Old 03-24-2007, 03:55 PM #1
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---- Paintball Barrel test ---- Let me know what you think. V1

Alright so I am tired of always hearing that barrel X is better than Y. I have decided to try to test out most of the top barrels against each other to see if there is a difference, and try to determine what barrel is "The Best"

So far I have aquired ~ 30 different barrel kits/barrels. Ill include a list later, but here is a pic of some of them.



The gun will be setup in a vice. It will be shot ~60 ft (I havent decided a firm distance and am open to suggestions)

The shots will hit a piece of paper ~ 36" X 24-30" Ideally the paintball will go through the paper without breaking, and hit a sheet which will catch unbroken paintballs for later practices (the paint will not be used twice). Each shot will be measured on an x y axis to the nearest 1/4".

Each barrel/insert will have ~ 20 shots of 5 different types of paint. The types of paint will be PMI Stinger, DXS Rec Sport, Xball Gold, Diablo Heat, and Reballs (the real ones), and RPS Marbs (A HUGE THANKS TO p_aint_fun on AO for donating 2 cases)

For each shot the velocity will be recorded with 2 chronographs, and a radar gun (the red chrono was calibrated within the last year, and I have tuning forks to tune the radar gun with) the yellow cheap chrono is just that. I want to see how far off of what I call correct it is. The marker will be reset to 280 fps with each barrel. The velocity will be adjusted in accordance to AGD specs.

The maximum sound level of each shot will also be recorded for each shot (just because im intersted to see what barrel is quieter than another.) The results for this will be the percent of noise reduction. A baseline for each barrel will be determined by dry firing.

I am also taking the internal diameter of each barrel/insert to also see how close of tolerances each companies hold their products to. The actual/specified diameters, and the weight of each barrel will be recorded. some of them are What little experience I have in manufacturing/process the percent error just would not fly.

all measurements will be recorded with calibrated equipment. All barrel dimensions/weights will measured with nist calibrated calipers/ scales

I know that paint is not perfectly spherical that is the reason that paintballs do not go straight. It will be very hard to determine if the barrel is causing the inaccuracy or if the paint is causing it (the majority will probally be the paint). I am going to do my best to get a range of paint therfore eliminating that problem.

I have seen barrel companies state that our barrel is better than theirs because here is our shot pattern and here is the competion's shot pattern; and ours is a tighter pattern therefore a more accurate barrel. For anyone that is looking to purchase a paintball barrel that is smart enough to research their purchase i would like to provide data/reason to purchase one barrel over another. I have no ties with any barrel company, and would consider this a blind test.

I know that probally over of 50% of players will still go get a 24" barrel thinking that it will be a sniper. This test is not for those players. At the least this will let me know personally which barrel is best for me. My personal oppinion is that the gun/barrel is alot less the problem as it is the person.

Another difference in different barrel kits is the tolerance levels that the company holds. If I buy a kit with X number of inserts that are a certain size I expect the inserts to be exactly what is listed on them. I dont want a kit that jumps around. If thats the case there is no point of owning a barrel kit we should all just buy a piece of .75" of pipe, and tape it to our guns.
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:56 PM #2
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If anyone has a barrel/ or type of paint that they want tested I would be more than happy to test it out. I will pay return shipping for anyone who decides to do so. Anyone that wants more info please pm me.
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:57 PM #3
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Barrel actual diameters.

Given Diameters/ Actual Diameters/ Difference between given and actual
Stainless steel Freak inserts 0.682 0.6820 0.0000
~5" control bore 0.6840 0.6850 0.0010
0.687 0.6870 0.0000
0.689 0.6900 0.0010
0.691 0.6915 0.0005
0.693 0.6935 0.0005
0.695 0.6960 0.0010
0.697 0.6980 0.0010
0.697 0.6975 0.0005
Aluminum Freak inserts 0.679 0.6795 0.0005
~5" control bore 0.679 0.6800 0.0010
0.682 0.6835 0.0015
0.684 0.6850 0.0010
0.687 0.6895 0.0025
0.689 0.6915 0.0025
0.691 0.6915 0.0005
0.693 0.6965 0.0035
0.695 0.6965 0.0015
Fronts 10" Black Freak 0.7015 N/A
12" Black Freak 0.7025 N/A
14" Black Freak 0.7020 N/A
11" Purple AA 0.7035 N/A
16" Purple Freak 0.7030 N/A
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Redz Pepperstick 0.687 0.6885 0.0015
~6.5" control bore 0.689 0.6890 0.0000
0.691 0.6915 0.0005
0.693 0.6920 0.0010
Fronts 14" Black Redz 0.7100 N/A
16" Black Redz 0.7100 N/A
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Evil Pipe 0.683 0.6830 0.0000
~6" control bore 0.686 0.6855 0.0005
0.689 0.6890 0.0000
0.692 0.6925 0.0005
0.695 0.6950 0.0000
Fronts 14" Black Evil 0.7055 N/A
14" Black Evil 0.7065 N/A
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Empire Revolver Aluminum inserts 0.684 0.6865 0.6860 0.0025
~4" control bore 0.688 0.6935 0.6900 0.0055
back of insert / front of insert 0.690 0.6920 0.6900 0.0020
0.692 0.6940 0.6935 0.0020
0.696 0.6985 0.6960 0.0025
Fronts 14" Black Empire 0.7050 N/A
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BT Apex 10" one piece 0.7005 N/A
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Empire 7 pc set 0.681 0.6845 0.0035
~6" control bore 0.684 0.6850 0.0010
All have tapered back 0.687 0.6895 0.0025
0.690 0.6915 0.0015
0.693 0.6930 0.0000
0.696 0.6965 0.0005
Fronts 14" Black Empire 0.7040 N/A
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Mcdev Matchstik 0.685 0.6870 0.0020
~5.5" control bore 0.689 0.6905 0.0015
0.693 0.6955 0.0025
Fronts 12" Black Matchstik 0.6950 N/A
14" Black Matchstik 0.6950 N/A
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CCM 0.681 0.6810 0.0000
~1.25 control bore 0.684 0.6850 0.0010
0.687 0.6875 0.0005
0.690 0.6915 0.0015
0.693 0.6940 0.0010
Fronts 14" CF CCM (tapered) 0.6960 - .7100 N/A
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Stiffi Switch 0.685 0.6855 0.0005
~1.25" control bore 0.687 0.6885 0.0015
0.689 0.6910 0.0020
0.691 0.6915 0.0005
Fronts 12" CF Switch (tapered) 0.6950 - .7010 N/A
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Hammerhead 0.688 0.6890 0.0010
~1.25 control bore 0.690 0.6910 0.0010
0.693 0.6935 0.0005
Front 14" Black Hammerhead N/A N/A
12" Black Hammerhead N/A N/A
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J&J Edge Dust Black 0.682 0.6835 0.0015
~4" control bore 0.685 0.6860 0.0010
0.688 0.6890 0.0010
0.691 0.6910 0.0000
0.693 0.6940 0.0010
Front 10" Dust Black Edge 0.7090 N/A
12" Dust Black Edge 0.7090 N/A
14" Dust Black Edge 0.7060 N/A
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Custom Products 5 piece 0.682 (tapered back) 0.6810 N/A
~5" control bore 0.685 0.6850 0.0000
0.689 0.6885 0.0005
0.693 0.6955 0.0025
0.696 0.6970 0.0010
Front 14" Red CP 0.7005 N/A
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Powerlite Scepter (tapered insert) 0.684 0.6850 0.0010
~6" control bore 0.686 0.6865 0.0005
0.688 0.6870 0.0010
0.690 0.6910 0.0010
0.692 0.6940 0.0020
Front 14" Black PL 0.6990 N/A
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Powerlite Scepter (revolver insert) 0.684 0.6850 0.0010
~6" control bore 0.686 0.6870 0.0010
0.688 0.6900 0.0020
0.690 0.6925 0.0025
0.692 0.6950 0.0030
Front 12" Black PL 0.7000 N/A
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J&J Edge Gloss Black 0.685 0.6860 0.0010
~4" control bore 0.688 0.6900 0.0020
0.691 0.6920 0.0010
0.693 0.6945 0.0015
Front 12" Gloss Edge 0.7055 N/A
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WGP Kaner 0.682 0.6830 0.0010
~6.5" control bore 0.684 0.6850 0.0010
0.687 0.6880 0.0010
0.689 0.6895 0.0005
0.691 0.6915 0.0005
12" Pweter Kaner 0.7005 N/A
14" Pweter Kaner 0.7030 N/A
16" Pweter Kaner 0.7005 N/A
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Dye Ultralite White (?.689) 0.6925 N/A
~6" control bore Yellow (?.689) 0.6925 N/A
Red (?.685) 0.6895 N/A
0.692 Blue 0.6950 N/A
Fronts 12" dust black proto 0.7020 N/A
14" Blue UL 0.7010 N/A
14" dust black UL 0.7010 N/A
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SM Race ~5.5" control bore 0.686 0.6860 0.0000
Front 14" blue Race 0.7015 N/A
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Lucky Un1tec 14" bore 0.685 0.6850 0.0000
0.693 0.6930 0.0000
0.696 0.6960 0.0000
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Dye Xcel 12" one piece 0.6910 N/A
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Xmag stock 12" one piece 0.6920 N/A
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WGP Trilogy stock 14" one piece 0.6890 N/A
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Tear Drop 14" one piece 0.6890 N/A
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Misc 11" one piece 0.6885 N/A
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Stock RT Pro J&J Dust Black ~5.5" control bore 0.6935 N/A
Front 12" Dust Black ?? 0.7150 N/A
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:51 PM #4
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Is the miller going to be used in the tests....j/k

As for paints, I would use different grades of paint (Practice, Rec, Tourny). If I had any paint left over after the 31, I might send you some Voodoo.
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Is the miller going to be used in the tests....j/k

As for paints, I would use different grades of paint (Practice, Rec, Tourny). If I had any paint left over after the 31, I might send you some Voodoo.
Of course the miller is included. That is part of the how straight can I shoot while drinking

The paint I am using I would consider rec/tourney. THe rec being rec sport, heat, and stinger. The tourney being marbs, xball gold, and reballs/
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Be sure to test paint to barrel match, too.

I'd really like to see some data regarding it.
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Can I have a barrel when your done. : P
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Of course the miller is included. That is part of the how straight can I shoot while drinking

The paint I am using I would consider rec/tourney. THe rec being rec sport, heat, and stinger. The tourney being marbs, xball gold, and reballs/
I am fine with the test if the miller is included ha.
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SO IN CONCLUSION... which is the best? (im hoping the freak)
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SO IN CONCLUSION... which is the best? (im hoping the freak)
He hasn't tested yet I do not think. And it will probably not be the FREAK.
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He hasn't tested yet I do not think. And it will probably not be the FREAK.
I have not done the test yet. I am waiting on my sanchez machine barrel to arrive as well as a few other barrels that fellow PBN/AOers are letting me borrow. I am also waiting on my paint/reballs to get here.

I would expect that the test will occur in about 2 weeks. I hope to get weight data later this week on the different barrels.

The barrels will be for sale after the test, but not a min before. Pm me if your intersted in 2 weeks. NOT NOW.

Where do you play Qjones? Im in knoxville.
Just FYI the alum freak...... Its not looking good just based upon the measured diameters vs the actual daimeters
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I have not done the test yet. I am waiting on my sanchez machine barrel to arrive as well as a few other barrels that fellow PBN/AOers are letting me borrow. I am also waiting on my paint/reballs to get here.

I would expect that the test will occur in about 2 weeks. I hope to get weight data later this week on the different barrels.

The barrels will be for sale after the test, but not a min before. Pm me if your intersted in 2 weeks. NOT NOW.

Where do you play Qjones? Im in knoxville.
Just FYI the alum freak...... Its not looking good just based upon the measured diameters vs the actual daimeters
I play at Insane paintball down here in Chattanooga, you?

If you look at the NPPL D3 teams, Chatt Town ballers, they are the home team of my home field.
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I use to play with UTK. Never went to actual tourneys, but practiced with em a few times, and am technically on the "team" Ive played a few times down at CEP. I usually play at private fields. Tempest has their own airball field in Knoxville that I play speedball, and I have fill stations for HPA and CO2 so I/our group can play anywhere.

You should check out www.tnpaintball.org (maybe .com) we are tring to get a TN based webpage for local players to communicate. Email me [email protected] and Ill put you on our email list. We sometimes come to chat to play.
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I use to play with UTK. Never went to actual tourneys, but practiced with em a few times, and am technically on the "team" Ive played a few times down at CEP. I usually play at private fields. Tempest has their own airball field in Knoxville that I play speedball, and I have fill stations for HPA and CO2 so I/our group can play anywhere.

You should check out www.tnpaintball.org (maybe .com) we are tring to get a TN based webpage for local players to communicate. Email me [email protected] and Ill put you on our email list. We sometimes come to chat to play.
Alright cool man. Yeah when I go to UTK, I am going to try out for the team.
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oh, no freak? 2 weeks! ok then, ill wait until you try them all. thanks for the update.
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Awesome, cant wait. I was in the process of purchasing a bunch of the popular kits for the same purpose.

If you decide the sell the ccm carbon kit afterwards please lmk.
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any chance you will be including the deadly wind fibur in your test? im interested to see how it stacks up to other barrels
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I've been doing some testing of my own similar to what you are about to do. Mine how ever was not quite as detailed as yours.

I tested at a range of 75 feet. At that distance the best gouping was around 12 inches and went up from there probably to at least 30 inches. That was taking into account every ball out of 25 shots per test.

I must say I'm highly disappointed with what I've seen so far. I tested rec sport, anarchy, hellfire, inferno, xball gold and bronze, blaze and nelsplat. The quality of the paint didn't make as much difference as paint to barrel match. The tighter the barrel was to the paint the more accurate it became.

The thing that affected accuracy the most was velocity. At an average of 294 to 303 was the worst. The higher velocity caused the errant shots to really curve off center. I tested all the was down to a veloctiy of 264 to 272 average and found the most accurate reslults at that range. The lower velocities really helped keep the pattern tighter.

I really can't wait to see your results. I went and spent the money on a hammerhead kit because of the advertising. Now I'm still second guessing that purchase. I still have some more testing to do so I'm not going to hate on it just yet. If the results don't improve then it may find its was to the b/s/t forum.

I would definitely size all of your paint and record that info as well. Don't believe what the manufacurer says. Of all the paints I tested I didn't get a single one that didn't cover at least 3 bore sizes on a test of 25 random balls. That was kind of disappointing as well since I bought some high dollar paint. I was really expecting to see better results than what I've come across so far.
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kklick- what barrels have you tested and which ones had the tighter groupings?
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