I played against a team on Monday that all they did was wipe and cheat. Nothing is more frustrating than knowing that you zippered a guy at least 4 times and he keeps on playing or comes out of his bunker clean.
You must cheat to win? Thats lame man, very lame...
well if you would read his other post wiping now a days is part of the game no way to really stop it unless you have your own personal ref the whole time watching you
Have you ever played pros? If you havent dont say that wiping is what sets them apart, because thats so far from true its amazing. Integrity has meaning to me, but like the kid above said, if you cant beat'em, join'em. When you shoot some one and they dont come out, you wipe it when they hit you, if they do hit you. Im not endorsing wiping, like I said, if anything this wil benefit reffs and people who dont wipe more then people who do want to wipe.
On the contrary, that is exactly the meaning of integrity. Even if your opponent wipes, that doesn't give you the right to do the same. Apparently, many (but not all) "professional" players are more concerned about winning at any cost than good sportsmanship and fair play. Ever wonder why you don't see paintball on ESPN? Trust me, no change in clothing, gear, format, or any other cosmetic change will convince execs to air professional tournaments. Why? Because they see paintball as one of the most "corrupt" sports out there. Want proof? Look at it this way, if you weren't a player and you heard of a sport where cheating was rampant (even accepted?), language was foul, and tempers were hot, would you want to air it? Hell no! Personally, do I care if paintball makes it to the "big time"? Not really. Do I care if people perceive my sport as a cheater's game? Yes. That’s the bottom line. Be the bigger man and take the hit. Trust me; you’ll earn more respect as a good sportsman than you will as a cheater. Fame is better than notoriety (just ask a certain “sniper”- remember that one?).
"if you cant beat them join them" .. that is why i quit tourney ball. I agree you almost need to do it to level the playing feild back out. i had issues with whiping and wouldnt do it. So I went back to my roots and started playing scenario ball. sure there is whiping but its not as prevelant as tourney ball.
I agree. I'm perfectly capable of playing tourney ball but I refuse to. I still realize that paintball is supposed to be fun (remember that word?) and playing against cheaters & being "forced" to cheat doesn't sound like much fun to me. Sure I wish that I could move on to the next level after all these years. But if that means dealing with good for nothing wipers and cry babies, then count me out. I'll stick to scenario play where fun is the goal and the players are usually respectable.
Originally posted by PhantomJM On the contrary, that is exactly the meaning of integrity. Even if your opponent wipes, that doesn't give you the right to do the same. Apparently, many (but not all) "professional" players are more concerned about winning at any cost than good sportsmanship and fair play. Ever wonder why you don't see paintball on ESPN? Trust me, no change in clothing, gear, format, or any other cosmetic change will convince execs to air professional tournaments. Why? Because they see paintball as one of the most "corrupt" sports out there. Want proof? Look at it this way, if you weren't a player and you heard of a sport where cheating was rampant (even accepted?), language was foul, and tempers were hot, would you want to air it? Hell no! Personally, do I care if paintball makes it to the "big time"? Not really. Do I care if people perceive my sport as a cheater's game? Yes. That’s the bottom line. Be the bigger man and take the hit. Trust me; you’ll earn more respect as a good sportsman than you will as a cheater. Fame is better than notoriety (just ask a certain “sniper”- remember that one?).
Paintballs not on espn because there was a big disagrement with the promoters and the espn people. Thats been known for a while, has nothing to do with cheating. Language is foul in every sport, thats why they dont have mircophones on the line in football and close enough to hear what basketball players are saying. Read there lips sometime, they swear and get pissed off just as much if not MORE then any paintballer. Being the bigger man is up to the player. Im not considered a wiper where I play, I just happen to know a thing or two.
Cheating isnt as out of controll as you think. because you KNOW how to cheat doesnt mean you do. If you KNOW how to hack the FBI's computer system, doesnt mean you will. You guys make cheating sound alot worse then it really is. Not everyone cheats every game every day. Actually, cheatings ALOT harder to get away with now a days, and cheating is waaaaaaaaay worse in scenario and big games. If you think otherwise your just being ignorant.
i dont have problems with people whiping against us. I meen if you shoot them like 20 times then its not a problem. Also the reffing this year has gone up so much. i meen xball ref's are great and the nppl i played was another superb example of reffing. localy, yeah its easey to get away with it but if you shoot them more then its harder for them to get rid of them. the bigest "cheating" problem i see is playing on. but thats more of playing the grey than flat out ditching a hit.
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You may not be considered a wiper where you play. However, when you start a thread on how to get away with it, WE get the impression that you are. Can you honestly tell me that you've never taken a hit, wiped it off, and played on? If so, then I'll take your word for it. I realize that cheating occurs at all levels and that it can be difficult to moderate. The point is that tournament players usually have more on the line than rec players. Because of this, many (not all) can and do cheat when they see an opportunity. As for the ESPN thing, I'm sure you're right in what you say. On the other hand, I would assume that both of our POVs play a part in this matter.
Funny thing is, the people that wipe in the Scenario games are the Tournament players who go there for basically a pick-up game! And you know that Fat Joe.
The big difference is. You wipe in a Scenario, you just urk somebody. No real damage.
You wipe in a tournament you can possibly move up to the next bracket where the other team should have, and that eliminates their chances of the prizes they should have won over you. There's big money involved.
So despite if there is cheating in Scenario or Tournaments, because there is in both. The big difference is that it's much more damaging to the players that lose in Tournaments.
In my experiences(there have only been a few) most cheating isn't blatantly wiping. Its "playing on" (aka Playing in the grey). If you hit someone of the break chances are they are going to attempt to slide on that hit and or play in a position that makes that hit look unobvious. Cheating is part of the sport, as it is with all other sports. Personally Id rather be involved in a sport where someone wipes alittle paint off so they can play just alittle longer, than be involved in a sport where the majority of players are hyped up on steriods.
Phantom- I agree with you 100% and Im glad you understand its not all tourny players but players at all levels. Have I ever wiped a hit? Of course I have. Im not gonig to try and hide it, I've wiped before, a few times. Never in a tournament or a game that mattered. Mostly on practices and low level tournys with nothing really on the line, and take my word for it when I say it didnt change the outcome of the game, dont worry.
Meph- I've never been to a real scenario game or a big game, but a couple of my teammates went up and said there was more wiping going on there then at tournaments and it was much easier because of the size of the field and lack of reffs. Im not trying to put it all on scenario guys, but I just want people to understand its not only tournament players.
And like PBcentrall said, mostly its playing the gray. You very rarely see someone just wipe off a hit.
I played two full seasons of 10 man NPPL.... Know all about the tricks of the trade.
Bottom line- This is a sport of integrity. You get caught wiping and the word will get out. Nobody cares for you and noone wants to have you on the team. I've seen good players make a dumb decision and wipe. The backlash forced them to quit playing anywhere that knew them. It's like hitting a woman. Noone looks at you the same.
Air ball and the new arena formats (X-ball) puts more eyes on the players making it harder to get away with it. I would love to see you wipe at Cup when 400 people are watching you. Would love even more to see you get caught.
The converse is true. You play straight up ball, people will notice. You may not win everytime when a quick wipe would have given you the kill or pull you needed, but the reputation you get is worth it. Ask your sponsors.
This whole "I'm going to wipe cause he wiped" crap is something I would expect my 10 year old to say. Grow up.
The only thing I have a problem with is people whining when they get bonus balled. It's almost a nesssecery thing to bonus ball. It's the only wway to ensure that the player is not going to wipe. Theres no wipng 20 balls off your mask, and no way a ref won't see you out 30 balls into someones shoulder. Other than that, if you gotta chet to win, whatever, but don't compain about getting shot more than once or twice.
<<The only thing I have a problem with is people whining when they get bonus balled. It's almost a nesssecery thing to bonus ball. It's the only wway to ensure that the player is not going to wipe. Theres no wipng 20 balls off your mask, and no way a ref won't see you out 30 balls into someones shoulder. Other than that, if you gotta chet to win, whatever, but don't compain about getting shot more than once or twice.>>
If you are shooting someone 20-30 times, expect to have it return. You are going to get lit up everytime you walk off the field. Also expect someone to punch you.
If I get shot 3-4 times I understand that. Most of the time I only get shot once or twice though. If someone has an easy shot at me though, and shoots me 10 times I will have a problem with that.
People that enjoy hurting others do not belong on a paintball field.
Yes. 3-4 is understandable, heat of the moment you get on the trigger and such. But chances are if you have the opp. to put 3-4 balls cleanly on somone, chances are they're going to know if they wipe it theres alot more coming and they aint gettin outa the way. And if you even think of putting 20 balls on me your gettin knocked the **** out.
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