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Old 07-19-2010, 09:08 PM #1
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Ego X Tuning

So I apologize in advance if theres 100 of these threads, but I'm one lazy guy. I was just wondering after my 10 case or so break in point what I should tune on it. This is my first planet gun, so I don't know much about tinkering with them. Basically just wanting to know about dwell settings, lpr, stuff like that.


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Old 07-19-2010, 09:10 PM #2
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So I apologize in advance if theres 100 of these threads, but I'm one lazy guy. I was just wondering after my 10 case or so break in point what I should tune on it. This is my first planet gun, so I don't know much about tinkering with them. Basically just wanting to know about dwell settings, lpr, stuff like that.


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Old 07-19-2010, 09:18 PM #3
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:41 AM #4
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How you tune your marker really depends on what it is you are trying to achieve. Efficiency? Smoothness? Quietness?

There isn't really a stock answer as to how to tune your marker. Different markers will tend to need slightly different settings to achieve the same effect anyway, so the optimal settings (for a given effect.....) for one marker may not be the exact same for another example of the same type of marker.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:02 AM #5
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How you tune your marker really depends on what it is you are trying to achieve. Efficiency? Smoothness? Quietness?

There isn't really a stock answer as to how to tune your marker. Different markers will tend to need slightly different settings to achieve the same effect anyway, so the optimal settings (for a given effect.....) for one marker may not be the exact same for another example of the same type of marker.
From my point of view, when people mention about tuning the guns, they mean to get the smoothness and quietness. Basically, it's kinda impractical to get all thing "tuned" at the same time like having smoothness, quietness, and more efficiency.

Another fact is that, tuning an "Ego" may be meant that how to get the gun to have more smoothness and quietness since Ego always bring great if not the best efficiency.
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:27 AM #6
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Yep, I am aware that efficiency and smoothness are generally at odds with each other - that's why I listed them separately. Quietness and smoothness are a bit more closely related, but even those need somewhat different settings if you are concentrating on one more than the other.

Thing is, you can't assume that smoothness and/or quietness are necessarily what people are aiming for, as even despite the generally good efficiency of Egos, there are still people who look to get more - maybe someone who plays scenarios or who can't guarantee to get a good fill, and so needs to make their air last as long as possible.

I've been in that situation myself - had to travel miles for a fill, that would then be no more than 3000psi (if I was lucky - sometimes I'd struggle to get 2000psi). If you are in that situation, and maybe only use a small tank, efficiency tuning is an issue, trust me.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Actually, I totally understand what you are saying. Yes, about how efficiency important is.

Your story reminds me of playing paintball few years back. My friends and I all got tippmans and spyders which all used CO2. We built our own big field on one of my friend's yard. The funny thing was that the closest paintball proshop was 45 mins away from the field. It was a pain in the *** to drive all the way there to get our tank filled.

Overall yes, if I was in that situation (might be yours also) again, efficiency would be the most important thing that I would care of.

Another funny fact: How to tune Tippmans and Spyders to get the best efficiency. (Sorry for being off topic)

Back to our topic, I believe that when people are willing to spend lots of money on some expensive guns, they don't mind going to the fields to play since most of fields offers all day air for cheap price. Otherwise, getting some scuba tanks are the best bets?

I don't know if you guys see what I've seen, but every times people compare Egos to other guns, they would like to make a comparison about the "sound" and "kick". I personally think those are the points.
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Old 07-20-2010, 02:22 PM #8
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Most sites in the UK don't do all day air. Generally, you pay per fill, and if the fills are rubbish, it get's old quickly. For a while, I was actually filling my own tanks with an HP stirrup pump, but 1000 pumps per fill also gets old quickly! At least that way I could actually get something like 3700psi.

After saving long and hard, I actually got myself a 4500psi compressor, so now I can at least go out with a decent fill, even if I may not get a good fill for the rest of the day.

Getting an industrial/commercial rated power supply put in my garage (turning on the compressor when connected to a domestic supply would trip the circuit breaker every time) was a whole other issue.....
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Damn Uzi. We always get at least 3-3500K fills here.
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:17 PM #10
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:48 PM #11
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That's something for me to look in to - thanks for the info.
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:45 PM #12
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Wow, got home and had a lot of posts. I guess what I'm looking for the most is smoothness and quietness. I'm not too big on efficiency, yes its nice, but as long as I can go a couple games with out filling I'm alright.

Uziel, what would I have to tune to achieve what I'm looking for.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:40 AM #13
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Initially, you would need to increase your dwell. Most people go with a 2 or maybe 2.5ms increase. This will generally have an effect of increasing your velocity.

You can then lower the HPR pressure and/or the LPR pressure to bring the velocity back down again. I would normally look at lowering the LPR pressure if smoothness were the biggest concern, or the HPR if it's quietness you are most worried about. Like I said before, smoothness and quietness are fairly closely linked anyway, so lowering the LPR will help with quietness anyway, and lowering the HPR can make things a bit smoother. A lot of people will concentrate on the LPR, first and foremost.

There's no harm in doing half and half.

So, up your dwell, and then turn the LPR in one turn from the recommended setting, or two turns in would be the maximum I would suggest, if you want to go as low as possible on the LPR.

Then re-chrono in order to get the HPR setting.

Now, this last part will sound like a contradiction - I would finish off by dwell tuning. Seems odd, as we increased dwell in order to be able to lower the other settings, and I'm talking about reducing the dwell again - not to mention that dwell tuninf is normally associated with tuning for efficiency. However, it's entirely possible that we added more dwell than we needed to get the desired effect, which is why you can then go back and dwell tune, to ensure that we aren't using more dwell than is necessary. You save some air, and by releasing less air with each shot, you also make the marker a little quieter, and a little smoother still, which fits in with what you are trying to achieve anyway.

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Old 07-21-2010, 05:40 AM #14
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Thanks Uziel, I really appreciate this. Once I get it broke in, I'll tune it and let you know how it goes. Again, thanks!
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No problem at all.
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Uziel, you said tune it from the reccomended setting on the lpr which is flush at the bottom of the little slope thing on the lpr cap right? And the stock dwell setting on the 08 Ego is 12.5ms right? Thanks. (this is an 08 ego btw)
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I consider the adjustment screw to be flush (stock setting on the Ego8) when the tip of the screw is level with tip of the LPR cover. So if the tip of the screw is below the tip of the LPR cover as you are describing, to my mind, the screw is already turned in a bit.

Yes, 12.5ms is the stock dwell setting.
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Uziel is Correct again. If you go into the Ask Bill Thread here in the Ego forum. I believe somewhere in that first post, theres a link to a picture of what a flush screw looks like on the LPR.
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Its about 1/2 to 1 turn below the slope on the cover. So does that mean I can just turn up the dwell to 14ms?
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You can, but I would sort of question the necessity, unless you also want to lower the HPR pressure as well, or go a little further in on the LPR (remember..... two turns in from flush as the *absolute* maximum, or you could damage the reg seat seal on the tip of the piston neck - I'd normal go 1 or 1.5 turns to be on the safe side).

If you are already maybe a turn in on the LPR, and getting good velocity, then there doesn't appear to be any pressing need to raise the dwell with your current settings. No need to change the dwell unless you are looking to change the LPR or HPR more than you have already.
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Well I just got it in a trade and it was like that... But when I chrono my gun the velocity is all over the place like +-20fps. Does that mean that its too far in?
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