I really wish i didn't have to do this, but i feel that other board members should know what has gone on. this post will be posted on forums.Paintballcity.com so that it gets seen by as many people possible.
Over the past couple monthes i had tried to work out deals with Joshie450 (Josh). 3 different deals. all dealing with his same gun, a cobra led.
round #1, i offered josh about $1700, he entertains the offer, we set everything up...he backs out. this was ok, i understand its a new gun to him and all, i'm completely understanding, no problem everything is A'OK.
Round #2, i offer josh a custom cocker, custom phantom, barrels, n2 tank, parts, everything valued at over his asking price of the gun. he entertains the offer, attempts to make a deal, we finalize, i ask for his address and after days and days of trying to aquire his address, he backs out on me saying he has to ask friends and doesn't know what to do. again i feel this is ok, he could have had other offers for all i knew.
Round #3, i offer Josha brand new 2k1 sto, completly upgraded, an assortment of barrels. he doesn't feel the offer is good enough, and asks for me to throw in more. i said name it and as long as i can get it at my store when i go back to work, then its his as long as its reasonable. i end up throwing in an extra boomstick, AKA Tornado valve, new cocker front and back blocks, give him his choice of any bolt i carry for the new block since the stock block on the 2k1 sto already had an evolution with pull pin & and stock bolt. he chooses a lightning bolt, as well as a brand new clear flex 7 thermal mask, and a 12 v hopper. now keep in mind the cocker already came with everything he would ever need, including most parts to go an make a second cocker if he could find a body. again he agrees to the deal, says give him a day or 2 to consult his friends opinion. then avoids me while trying to get his address again. i felt at first this was ok, he claimed he had to go to camp during the day and by the time i got home from work we could talk, but by then it was already 10 his time, and his parents wouldn't let him stay up or what not. during the early mornings when i would catch him online, i would ask for his address and he would say tomorrow i'll give it to you. almost a week later i still have no received his address. i ask him what is up and actually copied the conversation for you all to read. int he convo. he accuses me of things that are unheard of and people will back me of. here is the convo!
BlueDarkAngel: josh, c'mon man, need your address
Joshie450: i was told by many people today not to trade to you
BlueDarkAngel: so your backin on me again?
Joshie450: its not my fault they were very convincing
BlueDarkAngel: fine be that as it may, you don't know how bothersome this is. i've held off this far not posting negative feedback, but its happened 3-4 times now. i've turned down offers and you back out, i'm about to just post this in the trader response forum
Joshie450: this has happened twice but before you post you wana know why im backing?
BlueDarkAngel: because you listen to other people more than what you want
Joshie450: its proof of people you have traded with and what you have said
BlueDarkAngel: oh is that a fact? i guaruntee you make posts on any and all forums you want asking about my feedback, and you get nothing but good feedback
Joshie450: for example:
-cobra led #24 had a hole in it that it wasnt sposed to
-jon bakers cockers were pretty messed
-the sto you were trying to sell for 700 to people so if we traded id be getting ripped
-there is more too
Joshie450: you just upset because you know what you were doing is wrong
BlueDarkAngel: first off there was never a hole in anything, go ahead and ask joel if i did it, he can verify that i didn't and that is how i got it from cobra, hence it being before the ano job. jon's cockers were looked over my wgp before i sent them, along with wlf and yet you still think i did it
BlueDarkAngel: i'm far from upset
BlueDarkAngel: i've given you more chances than you deserve
BlueDarkAngel: and rest assured you will get what you deserve
BlueDarkAngel: its not my fault you have backed, i've thrown in everything youve asked for AND MORE
BlueDarkAngel: so your far from being ripped off
Joshie450: ive talked to john about the cocker
ive seen joels pics
and ive talked to people that you wanted to sell the sto for 700
BlueDarkAngel: roflmao, talked to people that i was gonna sell it to for 700? thats kinda impossible seeing as to how i've never had a cash offer over the net and i've only had 1 offer in the store
BlueDarkAngel: nice try ;o)
BlueDarkAngel: keep goin
Joshie450: chill out with all that stuff man, its not my fault we couldnt work something out but i dont think i can transfer from a angel to a cocker
BlueDarkAngel: chill out? you want me to chill out because you accuse me of things that have never happened or you haven't done your homework before accusations were made?
BlueDarkAngel: we did work something out
BlueDarkAngel: i gave in to your everything
BlueDarkAngel: i gave ya barrels, parts, hopper, mask
BlueDarkAngel: everything you requested
Joshie450: what you spent of your cocker is only a lil more than what im looking to sell for
BlueDarkAngel: spent? this has nothing to do with money, lol
Joshie450: well dude you know well off if i went to trade with a diff 2k1 sto i could get more
Joshie450: i know your gun is nice
Joshie450: gime till tomorrow to think about this trade
BlueDarkAngel: lol, your trying to make it seem like i'm the bad trader here, i understand all this reverse psychology, its not my fault that YOU backed out
BlueDarkAngel: 3 times in a row
Joshie450: gime till tomorrow
BlueDarkAngel: last chance josh, tomorrow and no longer
Joshie450: can you link me to the pic of your gun
Joshie450: 3-way and ram are stock right?
Joshie450: i do not have permission to log in
BlueDarkAngel: lemme get you other links then
BlueDarkAngel: those 3
Joshie450: thanks, did find out if you could get the other dye barrel?
BlueDarkAngel: i had off from work today so i don't know
Joshie450: well thats a expensive item to me so what happens if you dont get it?
BlueDarkAngel: then you don't, i don't know, i've thrown enough in, if its that much to you i'll see what other barrels i can get that are dye, lol
Joshie450: so if i end up not doing this your still gona leave a neg feedback?
BlueDarkAngel: its debatable at this point, i don't know. but don't base your decision off of whether or not i'm going to post it
Joshie450: so if we dont do this, ill get neg feedback?
BlueDarkAngel: josh, like i said, i don't know, but don't base your decision off of that
Joshie450: oh im sorry this im got hidden behind your pics
BlueDarkAngel: its ok
Joshie450: i didnt mean to ask twice, well if i dont trade, how bout i buy some stuff off of you or your company?
BlueDarkAngel: josh, lol i don't care if you buy anything, i'm not being bribed into not leaving feedback if i feel it should be there. and i don't think you should base your decision on whether or not you should trade on if i'm gonna post something or not
Joshie450: no im just interested in buying stuff and mabye you will be able to help
Joshie450: at your house do you have any 10 inch angel barrels, stick trigger, or any speed pod stuff?
BlueDarkAngel: uhh, no i gave away all my 10" barrels
Joshie450: you no like?
Joshie450: stick trigger or speed pod stuff?
BlueDarkAngel: nope and nope
that was the end of the conversation and he disapeared again. i haven't talked to him since and learned a lesson, i'm not dealing with kids again unless there is a third party involved and they are a bit more mature than Josh. as for why i've posted this? i feel that the board members here at PBNation should be aware of what has happened, and be VERY cautious when dealing with josh. hes very 2 faced as i see it and don't want anybody else to work deals out with him and pass up other great offers as i had, then to be stuck with nothing but what you started wiyth because josh couldn't work somethin out, or would then blame you for it.
thanks in advance, and sorry for the long post!
if you have any questions regarding this please feel free to ask, i realize that some of this may seem a bit confusing, but i will clarify anything i can as long as you ask!