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Old 03-13-2005, 11:07 PM #22
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Lol, yeah, I've heard that too. As a distributer though, I'll have the bolts "in hand" when I sell them, so that won't be an issue.
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Old 03-13-2005, 11:08 PM #23
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Old 03-14-2005, 12:03 AM #24
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Well, now I know what bolt I'm getting for it

And you're reselling them for $25-35 bucks? Dang good deal man.
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Old 03-14-2005, 12:16 AM #25
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So, you think every well-known manufacture of high performance products skimps in the materials they use in production? So you think you know better than they? Sorry, that just strikes me as extraordinarily funny. You state your product is better than what has been considered the standard for years. That Nylatron material is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than Delrin, by the way. That's great marketing, however; WDP might have a contender in that competition.

EDIT/DISCLAIMER: It's not that I dislike you or your products, it's just that I dislike hype when it comes to marketing.
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Old 03-14-2005, 01:09 AM #26
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Well Siress, is Black Nylatron (dumb name for a material) overall better than delrin? What's your input?
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Old 03-14-2005, 01:13 AM #27
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Well, both are openly available and Nylatron is much cheaper, yet Delrin is the choice by the engineers behind the products of which flood the paintball market... Your call there, mine is on Delrin.

Actually, one thing I do have against Nylatron is that it isn't a single material. It is a combination of Nylon and molybdenum lubricant. It seems more logical to me to stick with one material that does it all. Also, Spartacus has false claims that the Delrin currently used has a problem with swelling. That is flat out not true. The Delrin used FOUR YEARS AGO by only a FEW manufactures, mainly Smart-Parts, were succeptable to this problem.

One more thing, adding o-rings to the bolt now requires you to lubricate them. What's the point of the self-lubing nylon then? Also, they won't produce the outcome expected. The friction from the o-rings requires more air to push it than it saves from escaping around a good delrin (or even Nylatron) bolt.
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:32 AM #28
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Ok, first of all, I'm not a huge company or anything. I'm not looking to make millions off of distributing a bolt. I'm just another Wrath owner that wants the best product available for his marker and would like to offer that to everyone else here on the nation as well. Secondly, YES, I'm am a verified Paypal member and can take any form of payment (cards, buyer credit etc.) through them. Thirdly, you are correct that the current delrin used is less prone to swelling than a few years ago, but it can still swell. Fourth and most importantly, I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but nylatron is more expensive. Look in zoompaintball's thread on his bolts. There was someone who asked this question and both he and another website owner said that delrin was used because it was cheaper. Fifth on the list, yes, o-rings need lubrication and can cause slightly more friction between the bolt and body, but they do seal off the chamber and have benefits. ACP just came out with another bolt that everyone wants called the Blue Bolt and it has 3 o-rings. But if you don't like them and you'd rather not have them, YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE THEM OFF. It's better to have the grooves milled and have the option to use them than to not have them at all. If you'd rather not use them, don't worry, these bolts are machined at +.003" in diameter from the stock bolts to ensure a better fit and more sealed chamber even without the o-rings. And finally, the arguement about nylatron being made of 2 materials making it worse than delrin is just silly. The best, strongest, lightest, most durable, most heat resistant and most expensive materials on earth are composites and alloys. I'm not saying that nylatron is all these things, and I'm not saying that nylatron is TONS better than delrin, but it does have advantages. Look at Bandit bolts and the price they go for. I am not trying to take away zoom's business, he's a good guy and did us all a favor by getting up and running with the Wrath's first aftermarket bolt. I'm just adding to the mix and hope to offer a good product with added benefits and features. Like anything else in paintball, YOU do the research and make up your own mind which is better.
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Old 03-14-2005, 12:19 PM #29
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I still like the sound of the Spudunkle bolts better.

Will these bolts have diameter problems with the inside bore like some Bushy's do? Or are the body's milled precisely and the bolts too?
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Old 03-14-2005, 01:53 PM #30
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Thread updated and new section added.

Cock3rKid- The bolts are milled precisely, but as with all mass produced markers, I'm sure the inside diameter of the body varies slightly.
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Old 03-14-2005, 02:32 PM #31
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I've never seen anyone make a self-lubricating bolt to such close tolerances with the body and then add o-rings. If done right I suppose that could help but would require specialty o-rings. Do your own research on the price of rod stock of both Delrin and Nylatron, just as I did. It was difficult to find a supplier of Nylatron but when I did it was nearly 4/5 the price of Delrin. Not as cheap as I initially thought, compared to Delrin, since the prices for Delrin have recently gone down from the inflation for the material. Also, you say the delrin used now is less prone to swelling. I haven't seen any swell since the aforementioned batches. The weather here in Georgia is probably the most diverse in the country. Today it is a beautiful day with temperatures around 70*f. 3 days ago I believe it was ~30*f and raining. I do play in all climate conditions, from heavy rain to snow. I have never had a problem with any of my bolts nor witnessed any problems with them in other markers.

As far as the mass market is concerned Delrin is the perfect solution for bolts.

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Old 03-14-2005, 02:49 PM #32
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S!ress, that's great man, I'm glad you have made up your mind. I've personally used both types of bolts and have problems with neither but have heard that nylatron is the better material. Either way, since delrin bolts are already out, me bringing some variety and options to Wrath owners for the same price should not upset anyone...
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Old 03-14-2005, 03:43 PM #33
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im with spartacus on this one. i've owned a delrin bolt before and it swelled in the humidity of the illinois summer. it didnt fit at all. i just put it in my refrigerator and then the freezer for a couple hours and it went back down to almost normal. i also have owned a nylatron, tigershark bolt from apm, and it was flawless. never swelled, very very light and easy on the inside of my gun. delrin is good, but nylatron is better. ive also heard that nylatron is cheaper raw, but it is more expensive to work with. thats why the bolts are more expensive.
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Old 03-14-2005, 04:23 PM #34
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Old 03-14-2005, 07:12 PM #35
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Take some tips on how to test them from Wolverine (http://www.kamworld.net/paintball/ImpulseFAQ.html)


More expensive to work with?
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Old 03-15-2005, 09:18 AM #36
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Old 03-15-2005, 10:45 PM #37
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I have one quick question though I'd post here instead of starting a new thread.

Should I buy a Low pressure tank or a high pressure tank?

I'm looking at the Crossfire 68/4500 N2 tank.
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Old 03-15-2005, 10:59 PM #38
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Either will work. I'd personally go for the high pressure tank so that I could use it on any of my other guns.

I've been running my wrath on an HP tank and it's been performing like a champ so far.
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:40 AM #39
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Yes, HP is the way to go. The Wrath's reg, like many others works better with high pressure. Only a few regs on the market are specifically designed for low pressure operation.
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Old 03-16-2005, 11:03 AM #40
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Thats what I was thinking just couldn't find any information about it.

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Old 03-16-2005, 02:01 PM #41
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UPDATE: Wrath bolts are in the making as we speak. Should have them in the next week or so.

When they come in, I'll post a thread in the B/S/T and give you a link to it from here.
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Old 03-16-2005, 03:42 PM #42
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Anyone familiar with the Psycho Ballistics On/Off Z Drop Forward? Think the blue one would look good w/ blue/silver wrath, let me know...sry if it's off the subject, just didn't want to start a whole new thread.
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