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Old 02-22-2005, 06:06 PM #43
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oh i forgot to tell you; i work for SP and the suit is being filed right now

nah.. aka guns are awsome and they definatly got their low pressure down. WM rocks.
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Old 02-24-2005, 07:33 AM #44
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Alright Polish; you have a mission.

sneak into WM at night and get us some pics you will now be reffered to as you code name; 003 (your assault s#)


Kirk: can we get a sneak preveiw? picture, video, drawing or somthing? i cant wait
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There's nothing to show just yet. All testing so far has been done with prototype internals in a marker that's been around for a while. We just started and we're busy doing day to day stuff, so it'll be a while before any sneak peaks start to surface.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:18 AM #46
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If you do post prototype pictures, make sure to smack prototype in big red letters across them.
I don't know how many times I've seen a prototype pic bounced around without a description and being refered to as ugly and/or bulky.
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Old 02-25-2005, 09:21 PM #47
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If he doesn't do it, next time I'm in there, I'll take a sharpie in 7 different colors and write you a huge note or something that says "PROTOTYPE" and then outline each letter in all 7 colors and at the bottom write:

<3 Matt *butterfly kissez*

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I was forgetting to be explicit on the weight. The best way to make lighter a marker (besides milling that follows form and so on) is to make it very efficient. If I get 2000 shots out of a 68/4500, I might as well go out with a 45/4500.
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It sounds like weight and efficiency are creeping up to the top of the list. What's the most efficient gun that you guys actually OWN?
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Old 02-28-2005, 04:36 PM #51
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I have both a Viking and an Excalibur. They do about 200psi per Halo on a Scion 68ci/5k (it was filled to 3000psi. though). I own quite a few markers. And I can tell you that the Freestyle, even with the HE bolt needs an 88ci tank. I've gone as bad as 400psi (on a Center Flag 68/4500) for a pod. Now that I've sweet spotted it it consumes a little worse than the AKA's guns with a bigger tank. I.e. if the AKA use 200psi per halo on a 68, the Freestyle uses 250psi on an 88. Or so.
The Osiris, and Fastback have good efficiency. I've not measured them because we have a theory of using little paint and filling after each game and we only have SCUBA fills. The DM5 is not that good. I would put it a little bit over the Freestyle.
The very worst is of course the Mayhem. We'll see if I can change that with a Morlock board.

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It sounds like weight and efficiency are creeping up to the top of the list. What's the most efficient gun that you guys actually OWN?
Own now? Probably a cocker. Ever? Viking. Definitely Viking. I just couldn't justify owning a $800 gun that sat in the bag while I used some other gun (gun whoreitis) so I sold ity and bought 5 guns instead. I do miss the efficiency and my 45/45.....
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Old 02-28-2005, 05:20 PM #53
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weight...blah. over rated in my oponion. If i can lift it, i dont care. i think length is much more inportant, that determines hoe tight you can play with it.
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Personally I use either an Excal or a DM5. Those are the markers to beat. At least from my perspective. So, basically, being kickless, smooth and straight shooting is far more important than weight. Efficiency is kind of a binding constraint. Say 1500 shots out of a 68/4500. If you are over that, then don't waste more energy. Ditto for the weight, if you are under 3lb it's enough. Mill the frame a little deeper, try not to use huge block for manifolds and so on. But kick, ergonomics and accuracy are what makes or bust the gun.
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200psi per Halo is 1.3psi per ball.......is that possible? That would mean you would get 2250 shots out of a 68/3000. Let me re-phrase my question. How many shots off of a 68/3000 is good?

I don't think recoil is going to be any problem at all. Accuracy just seems to happen for us, that's not something you can just design it's more like a bi-product. Under 3 lbs., no problem. Efficiency is a variable right now because I don't know which parts we're actually using yet. Ergonomics are ironed out just by playing with the thing a little bit.......and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Any other input? Or does that cover everything?
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Clamping feedneck would be nice.

Can't forget the break beam eyes =).
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68/3000 1000, maybe...not sure. I'm not a quantum physics scientist.
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Well, they already have a clamping neck, and breakbeam eyes as well. I mean, eyes are a must in higher end guns nowadays.

As for air consumption - I'll be glad if I could get 750-800 out of a gun and then wait for either a new bolt or turn to the Matrix people who have spent the second they got their gun trying to find ways to improve efficiency.
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200psi per Halo is 1.3psi per ball.......is that possible? That would mean you would get 2250 shots out of a 68/3000. Let me re-phrase my question. How many shots off of a 68/3000 is good?

I don't think recoil is going to be any problem at all. Accuracy just seems to happen for us, that's not something you can just design it's more like a bi-product. Under 3 lbs., no problem. Efficiency is a variable right now because I don't know which parts we're actually using yet. Ergonomics are ironed out just by playing with the thing a little bit.......and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Any other input? Or does that cover everything?
I think it was more like 2.1psi per ball (man does this International to American conversion drive me crazy). Let's do something. I'll practice a bit with my Excal (almost as efficient) and shoot a couple of Halos. Then I tell you how much air I used. But my guess would be around 1300~1400 in a 68/3000.
I think that the balance is important. Specially where do you put the feed. I'll see what happens when the Alien is out if it improves anyway.
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It's been a while, but if I could actually get a good fill I got about 1200 shots off of a 45/45 on my old Viking.
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Old 03-02-2005, 12:44 PM #62
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68/3000 1000, maybe...not sure. I'm not a quantum physics scientist.
Aww, C'mon it's easy math. You're part of the elite 2% of american teenagers! j/k

On the clamping feed neck, that will probably be an upgrade but the threads are going to be common. Everything has to have eyes now so they'll be in there. For balancing the feed neck has to be over or behind the front grip/HPR, but we don't know if the end user will be using a stainless or aluminum barrel or a 45/4500 or a 114/4500. Common sense is telling me to balance it with a 12" aluminum barrel and a 45/4500 tank on it. Then the drop forward comes into play.......guess I'll put a Checkit mount on there.

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Old 03-02-2005, 12:49 PM #63
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universal thing would be nice, like cocker thraded barrels, and imp or angel feednecks. You know more upgradeablilty
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