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Old 02-10-2005, 12:54 PM #1
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HPA Reg test results?

I've done a search here and elsewhere, and can't find any charts or info.

Anyone know where I can find some hard facts on HPA Regulator recharge rates?

Personally I find it useless to ask for personal opinion. I want to find some test results.

Data comes from ShockerGEEk's post, just wanted to move to the top of the thread and changed up some of the formatting.


A = pressure prior to shot, in PSI
B = lowest pressure during shot, in PSI
C = % pressure drop
D = recovery time 95% of pressure in MS


NAME / A / B / C / D

ACI bulldog / 710 / 487 / 31% / 122ms

Armageddon / 807 / 661 / 18% / 90ms

Centerflag / 801 / 675 / 16% / 14ms

Crossfire / 770 / 662 / 14% / 10ms

DYE throttle / 830 / 573 / 30% / 173ms

EVIL Scion / 556 / 472 / 15% / 18ms

Pro Toyz / 804 / 508 / 26% / 41ms

Pure Energy / 840 / 724 / 14% / 10(30*)ms

WDP A.I.R. / 797 / 648 / 19% / 45ms

* Pure Energy reg initially recovers within 10ms, although the pressure oscillates and full recovery is not achived for another 20 ms.




EDIT:
This info orginally came from Paintball Games International special edition magazine called "What Paintball Gear? 2003 or 2004 edition". Can't find a copy of it anywhere.

I have ordered the 2005 edition, it is on sale now. Should have it in the next week or so.

Some have questioned how the testing was done; I couldn't tell you, I can't find a copy of the magazine to see how they did it. Hopefully the 2005 edition has info on the testing methods.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:36 PM #2
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What Paintball Gear? magazine produced by PGI did some. See if you can track down a copy. Let me know if you do because I have been trying to for a long time.
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Old 02-11-2005, 04:11 PM #3
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ACI bulldog
pressure prior to shot PSI---710
lowest pressure during shot PSI---487
% pressure drop---31%
recovery time 95% of pressure in MS---122

Armeggedon 807 psi >661psi >18% >90ms

Centeflag 801psi > 675psi > 16% >14ms

Crossfire 770psi > 662psi > 14% > 10ms

DYE throttle 830psi > 573psi > 30% > 173ms

EVIL Scion 556psi > 472psi > 15% > 18ms

Pro Toyz 804psi > 508psi > 26% > 41ms

Pure Energy 840psi > 724psi > 14% > 10(30*)ms

WDP A.I.R. 797psi > 648psi > 19% > 45ms


* Pure Energy reg initially recovers within 10ms, although the pressure oscillates and full recovery is not achived for another 20 ms.
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Old 02-11-2005, 08:32 PM #4
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nice info shocker! where did you get that data? i've been searching all over the internet lol

if its a good source, we should get this stickied....it seems to be a ? a lot of people ask.
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Old 02-11-2005, 09:31 PM #5
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It is from the What paintball Gear 2004 disc. I got it with a magazine. It has tons more info on it as well, markers, packs, barrels, loaders etc. etc.

Let me know if your wanting other info from the disc, and Ill post what I got on it.
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Old 02-11-2005, 09:42 PM #6
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Old 02-11-2005, 09:50 PM #7
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Sorry...they were not on the disc. I merley posted what the disc has......these are not my tests.
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:34 AM #8
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WPG 2005 is in production and will have more info on air systems just like last year.

Also will be covermounted on PGI again later in the year.
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:50 PM #9
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Is the 2004 catalog available online anywhere? I counln't find it.
When is the 2005 catalog coming out?
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Old 02-17-2005, 07:54 PM #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by ShockerGEEk
ACI bulldog
pressure prior to shot PSI---710
lowest pressure during shot PSI---487
% pressure drop---31%
recovery time 95% of pressure in MS---122

Armeggedon 807 psi >661psi >18% >90ms

Centeflag 801psi > 675psi > 16% >14ms

Crossfire 770psi > 662psi > 14% > 10ms

DYE throttle 830psi > 573psi > 30% > 173ms

EVIL Scion 556psi > 472psi > 15% > 18ms

Pro Toyz 804psi > 508psi > 26% > 41ms

Pure Energy 840psi > 724psi > 14% > 10(30*)ms

WDP A.I.R. 797psi > 648psi > 19% > 45ms


* Pure Energy reg initially recovers within 10ms, although the pressure oscillates and full recovery is not achived for another 20 ms.
this should be stickied
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Old 02-18-2005, 04:40 AM #11
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Is the 2004 catalog available online anywhere? I counln't find it.
When is the 2005 catalog coming out?
2004 isn't online, only copies now are the CD's and nearly all shops have sold out.

2005 - Should be launched at Florida PSP in April
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:51 PM #12
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wow.. the dye has a crappy score. that's to bad.
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Old 02-27-2005, 01:59 AM #13
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Thats cool.
I own 2 tanks. One is a Crossfire and the other is a Centerflag. Seems like they are one of the better performing tanks out there.
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im stupid... wat does that stuff mean?
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:51 AM #15
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Basically Crossfire tanks are about as good as it gets for performance.
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im stupid... wat does that stuff mean?
The most important number is the last one in each line. It's measured in milliseconds. A second has 1000 milliseconds in it. Take 1000 and divide by the last number for how many shots per second that tank can handle.

As an example, a Dye Throttle tank can only handle 5 shots per second, any more than that and you are starving your marker with not enough air.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:30 PM #17
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so crossfires can handle about 100 shots per second?
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:40 PM #18
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Yes. Not that we could ever pull the trigger that fast. But the mechanical parts of the reg are designed to handle that fast of recharge.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:36 AM #19
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so why does dye sell throttles for so much when their performance is so low?
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:30 AM #20
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dye sells everything expensive...
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:41 PM #21
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Was there any information on HOW they tested these on the disk?
I personally doubt some of the findings, since I own three Armageddon's, and none of them have the output gauge even flutter, let alone drop 200 psi per shot.
Yes, I know, choked passages in the gauge, human eye can't see things the quick, yea, I know.
I just want to know what they used to do the tests, and if they pulled a statistical sample, or just used what ever tanks happened to be kicking around.
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