[Wolfstuff184]

yea i will get one since proto's and dm4's are outta my range

[enjoidvssk8er]

Originally posted by Wolfstuff184
how come shocker? Isnt the freestyle supposedly "better" than shockers?

Lvl- my mom wont buy it lol

it is, but there is a big price diffrence between the fs and nerve and the shocker is in the same price range, and that's why people compare the two

[Wolfstuff184]

oh ok

[forestgumpey]

no dm4's are not heavy
i dont know where you got that.. there actually pretty light. and 850 for a new dm4 prob wont happen they go for 8-900 used.

[lvl4l2C]

ok, but freestyles are lighter...

[forestgumpey]

who gives a woot? its people like you that i assume sit in the shop while others are on the field. what a freestyle is 1.99999 and a dm4 is 2.2222 whats that? like .3 weight difference dude your a loser. why dont you spend more time on the internet arguing over .3 pounds? yeah .3 pounds will change your game buddy!!

[forestgumpey]

even if a freestyle is lighter...? icd's products will never match the quality of a dm4 or dye products.

[lvl4l2C]

dude...i was kidding...wow

[lvl4l2C]

come on man, don't gotta get all up in my grill like that...lol, and I believe the freestyle is 1.8 pounds, IM KIDDING, DONT GET ANGRY AGAIN

[enjoidvssk8er]

it's still out of the question becuse it's out of the price range

[forestgumpey]

well ok? but if you penny pinch your whole life you will never be satisfied... im saying that truth fully...
dont buy a gun just cause you can get one you know you will play with and saying this from expirence, go to your field and shoot every ones guns that let you and decide from there, you cant see anything about a gun other then how well the company touched up the factory photos by going on the internet. ifyou want a freestyle my suggestion is shoot one!! or shoot a dm4 and youll see what i mean.. also i wasnt mad, or angry i just wanted to put a point across, i thought he was just being another lame e-cyber loser that sits endlessly at his computer in the dark staring at his monitor acting like an expert and just being a flat out dus**. youll get alot of those kids that will argue with you endlessly when they know nothing of which they speak, and i saw him acting like a squirrell so i had to put that across that he should get a life. !

[lvl4l2C]

well im cool dawg...ill cut the ghetto talk
I don't know everything, i was just asking a question then you got all crazy on my buttocks...but I forgive you, lol, jk

[forestgumpey]

you forgive me?? OOOOOO MAN dont get me started.. J/P but i wasnt going crazy bro i was putting a point across. everythings cool bro. peace

[paint3all88]

i weighed my freestyle and i got 1.5 lbs with regs and barrel and asa

[bulzeye]

Originally posted by forestgumpey
even if a freestyle is lighter...? icd's products will never match the quality of a dm4 or dye products.

where do you get your facts???. dye makes good looking products. ICD makes good products. there is a difference between the two.

for instance. with the dm4's some ppls guns can take aftermarket feednecks and some ppls cant cuz the milling. funny if htey are so good then where is the QC.

if you look at quality i would honestly put ICD and Dye in the same area. you just pay more for dye products cuz its the "in thing.

Both compmanies produce better quality products than Bob long/national and a lot of other companies.

but both companies don't compare to AKA when it comes to quality. i have owned guns from icd/dye/aka and some others. so i know its my opinion, but its seems to be the concensus if you ask ppl that have owned them as well.

[Wolfstuff184]

yea i see where all of you are comin from. I would love to get a proto or dm4 but i will never be able to afford it. It would take like a year to get that much, and i would never play

[enjoidvssk8er]

100th post in thread, icd makes good stuff

[Wolfstuff184]

i know and am not worried about that

[forestgumpey]

then how is it when i picked up my friend 05 freestyle when thats supposed to be better then all the other ones, i noticed right off the bat several annoedizing and milling defects, then the first shot he took with it, it chopped, next it was getting really bad fsdo then i shot it and the trigger was horrible felt cheap. when i held a 04 freestyle it felt like a toy and looked even worse, looked like it belonged in a men in black movie.

[tdbeez]

i like DM4s but i wouldnt recommend it over a Freestyle for a back player. you would be sacrificing 300-400 shots minimum by going with the DM4 over a FS. \

Wolfstuff -- the Shocker and the Freestyle are in the same price range(roughly), that is why they are compared with each other.

[forestgumpey]

dm4's have fine efficiency you cant say a dm4 has bad efficiency but a shocker has it good, shocker is worse, way worse.