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Old 01-13-2005, 08:07 PM #211
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:09 PM #212
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oh but wait, loh instant 2nd life and stunning you for 5 second hitting you for 1500 damage each hit. regenin ... rouge = pwned... oh ya not to mention the holy shields i can use along with consecration
A rogue with any bit of talent can demolish a paladin without trying.
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LOL What exactly are you hitting me with that causes 1100 damage? Odd, there are 3 level 60 Paladins in my guild, and they hit for 475 a wack. Are you critting every hit? Also, did you forget about the average level 60 Rogue's dodge rate? 65% ring a bell? What about increased dodge? 90% rate while you are "regenin" mid battle (???), and kill my "rouge." How about, a decent Rogue unloads his entire talent build on you in 6 seconds for 4000 damage on top of the 1700 ambush. Are you healing yet? Because I'm behind you...

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Beta doesn't mean crap. We aren't in beta are we anymore?
My myriad of level 45+ characters > you.

Also, sold accounts don't mean crap. You don't even own them, do you?
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OMG! LIEK MY LVL 11 WARLOCK >>> EVERYTHING.
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Why does it matter if I own them now? I leveled and made $$ off them
Why does it matter this isn't beta anymore? I leveled them and essentially sold them to cyberspace for free.
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reguize do you like your hunter? Im a level 7 hunter and I want to know if you like him and if you prefer your mage to him
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I love my mage way more than my hunter. Mage is the best class in the game if you exclude the side-specific classes (Alliance Paladin and Horde Shaman). Hunters are excellent for the melee scene though. They get mail, duel wield, a pet, and some insane ranged damage with whatever procs you want to throw in there. They are much more fun than Mage, and are actually the only class that can kill Mages (of the same level). Playing a mage is completely different. Its all about bursts and up to 2 minutes of downtime to drink. Its a simplistic life, but over all, your DPS is far higher than anyone else in the game. But Hunters do have that fun aspect... Like I said, they get heavy armor, any weapon in the game, amazing ranged abilities for taking out those *****y classes in PvP and grounded Shaman totems, and a pet to boot. Soloing non-elite quests to 60 will never be a problem... But I am going to quit my Hunter and take Mage to 60. I already chose Warrior as my main melee damager (I built him like a rogue... full rage-gaining talent build, duel wielder, and all agility gear).

Anyway, its a tought decision as a first character. Every class has their opposite... the guys that they run from in PvP or have a hard time killing. Its odd your stuck between Mage and Hunter, because 1 on 1, Hunters will kill the Mages. PvE, Mages will deal CRAZY DPS, and easily out damage Hunters. Mages rely on not getting hit, and they have about 10 spells to help them do that. Not saying that a Mage has no chance standing 20 feet away from a Hunter and dueling... but the Hunter has mail, a consistent DPS, high armor, high crit rate, and the Mage is sitting their with cloth and a giant pet bear eating his ***...

I hope that helped... from a totally elitest perspective with a high level melee character ALREADY, Mage ftw.


EDIT: Mages get into parties over Hunters any day of the week... just food for thought. When forming a level 55+ instance party, ideal group consists of Paladin, Warrior, Priest, Mage, and a Rogue (mainly for crowd control).
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Yea I played a mage to level 8 on a friends account and it was great fun, but my group wants a hunter, we have a mage(the one i playd to level 8) a pally and me and maybe a warrior. I will def make a mage b/c they are fun but the get boring sometimes though.
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A rogue can trash a mage with the right template.

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Cold blood > Ambush
Blind
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Ambush
Vanish
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Preparation
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Cold blood > Ambush
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Mage with theoretical 8,000 hit points = pwnt.
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A rogue can trash a mage with the right template.

edit:

Just for you...

Cold blood > Ambush
Blind
Stealth
Ambush
Vanish
Ambush
Preparation
Blind
Stealth
Cold blood > Ambush
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Mage with theoretical 8,000 hit points = pwnt.
blind does not take you out of combat, it's merely a daze state in which they walk around for 10 seconds...so you can't stealth. in that time, it'd be better to bandage if you took some damage, or position yourself for a backstab.

id suggest:
stealth
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gouge
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vanish
ambush
preparation
vanish
ambush

or something similar, one could insert as many gouge+backstabs as he wanted, but its all based on your gouge timer and your energy. could also throw in a kidney shot and repeated backstabs, or an eviscerate

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blind does not take you out of combat, it's merely a daze state in which they walk around for 10 seconds, in that time, it'd be better to bandage if you took some damage, or position yourself for a backstab.
10 seconds is more than enough time for you to unclick and get out of combat, because I've actually done it before...

The thing with mages is, you really can't let them have any open shots on you or else it's freeze/poly and they run for the hills.

edit for your edit: I acatually don't use my posted combo on most people, my usual goes as follows...

Cheapshot (40e) > Hemorrhage (35e) > Gouge (45e) > *Pause for energy*/Cold blood > 5-cp evis
Blind
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Vanish
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Preparation
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Repeat above
Vanish
Repeat above

As you can see, this won't work on mages because they will just blink out of the cheapshot, so you have to use front-end damage. For most people though, this template at 60 can do a guranteed damage of around 8,000+ not counting default swings and extra crits, while keeping the target in stunlock nearly the entire time.

But I assure you, blind is enough to get you out of combat... with blind/vanish and prep along with my starting stealth I effectively get 5 stealth openers, which is killer.

I'm actually thinking about putting a point into improved kick to fill in the small gaps where the one and only class that can do something (priests who jam on their PS until they get like a 1/3 second gap) so I can lay a silence down to cover the gap in stun, but I don't know... just seems like a lot of work for one class.
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ah, pvp, not a duel-i didn't read the thread

supposedly mages can blink from stun, but as i never played a mage back in beta and nor do i now, i wouldn't know, i tend to stay away from casters in video games

but, i have fought many mages, if they know your anywhere in the vicinity, they'll arcane nova (or whatever its called) or frost nova, so that kinda sucks

a quick and easy way to take down a mage in pvp would probably be:
cb-ambush (3cp's if you have the right talents)
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backstab until ks timer is up
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backstab

i think that'd pretty much finish the mage without having him move a step; a good 2500+ damage on cloth
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ah, pvp, not a duel-i didn't read the thread

supposedly mages can blink from stun, but as i never played a mage back in beta and nor do i now, i wouldn't know, i tend to stay away from casters in video games

but, i have fought many mages, if they know your anywhere in the vicinity, they'll arcane nova (or whatever its called) or frost nova, so that kinda sucks

a quick and easy way to take down a mage in pvp would probably be:
cb-ambush (3cp's if you have the right talents)
ss
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backstab until ks timer is up
blind
gouge
backstab

i think that'd pretty much finish the mage without having him move a step; a good 2500+ damage on cloth
Rogues are the cloth killers, they are my favorite target because they go down easy

Also, the only chance they have to use some AoE on you is your first stealth, and personally I don't think mages are just going to go around AoEing everything for fear of a rogue.

Other than that, if you're fast, the only time they have to pop a quick AoE is when you vanish, but I only use vanish for the openers, so its like vanish then > CS/Amb. almost immediately.

ALSO, not all mages have that move, nor are they quick enough with it to make it useful. The combo I posted would probably have the guy dead by the 2nd to 3rd ambush.

Edit: I'm fairly sure they will blink out of the kidney shot too.
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shield is nothing, damage absorption can easily be negated by just unloading a few sinisters and subsequently building up cp's for that evisc, ****ing them over more

it's when they psychic scream your *** and constantly heal when they get annoying
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shield is nothing, damage absorption can easily be negated by just unloading a few sinisters and subsequently building up cp's for that evisc, ****ing them over more

it's when they psychic scream your *** and constantly heal when they get annoying
I thought we were talking about mages?

Yea, priests are probably the hardest of the cloth casters because of that damn instant cast, AoE fear. I usually try not to waste my time with them unless I see them use up their PS or are OOM/low on hp.

As long as you arn't feared, though, they are cake. Shield stops damage, the silence half of kick will still work, the damage half will just be absorbed.
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