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Old 03-08-2002, 03:05 PM #1
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Viking Vs Excalibur

For all you people who has been graced with opportunity to handle both the Viking and the Excalibur.

Without $ being an option, what is the real deal between the two. I.E. performance, acuracy, tragectory, balance, consistancy, etc....etc.

Excluding the laws of physics & primarliy based on actual experience - Thanx fellas -
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Old 03-08-2002, 10:38 PM #2
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We'll know more after practice Sunday. They'll be 2 or 3 of them on the field.

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Old 03-09-2002, 01:43 PM #3
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Thanks dan.

Also, how is that video coming along? Since i take it you havent gotten the video yet, do you notice any differences between how the ex. and viking shoot?

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I held and shot the viking today and I have played with an excal in the past. the only real difference that I could feel is that the viking is an open bolt and hte excal is a closed. And that isn't tosmething you can really feel. I didn't get to shoot paint throught hte viking but from what AKA, Eileen and her husband said.

"the viking is just has less range, less accuracy when compared to the excalibur"

THats a direct quote from the staff at AKA.
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I just want to know if that is true. Because that could somewhat be coming from a marketing perspective, if they say that, some people will go ahead and spend the extra cash for the "better range and accuracy" Thats why i was asking Dan, because i am pretty sure he owns both, and i wanted to know if he felt any differences.
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Old 03-10-2002, 12:57 AM #6
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That is true we should ask Dan. But I personally think that if you ask him on the boards and ask him at the open his answered might be skewed a little. Since we have so many physics professors on the forum he might just want to avoid the senseless argueing that would result. As for Eileen and her husband I believe they own both. Since they own the Company I'm sure they have shot, felt and seen both of them side by side.
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very understandable. I was just repeating what the owners said and the staff said about the two.
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It's all marketing IMO. Just like how SmartParts HAS to advertise the shocker as longer range and more accurate than the Impulse. If they didn't, then they would have to discontinue the more expensive shocker. AKA has to do the same or they'll eat their own profits. Why sell a cheaper gun when you can sell a more expensive one and get more money? I don't know if AKA truly believes in it's own claims. It's marketing and it's a do or die type market. Viking vs. Excal hrm....Impulse vs. Shocker... hrm...

Nobody can convince me that any well tuned and taken care of gun will shoot better than any other. It's all in the hands of the user.

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Remember, it's about what costs more, it's what has a greater profit margin.

Assume:
Shockers go for $1000 (imaginary) but SP makes only $50 off of it

Impulses go for $500 and make $100 off of it.

They're obviously going to push the Impulse due to the higher profit margin and the popularity within the community.

Either way...closed bolt, open bolt, longer range, more accurate... when i'm playing on a 120 ft speedball court and i'm shooting so many paintballs that the sponsors start to worry about their budget, accuracy has a bit of a back seat.
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We'll know more after practice Sunday. They'll be 2 or 3 of them on the field.

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The Vikings worked pretty much flawlessly. There was some trouble with some sand getting around the bolt but once he stopped putting his full guppy on the ground before he loaded it into his hopper there weren't any more problems. I shot some video of them playing and I'll try to get it online this week. We were playing at an indoor air ball field and the Vikings were shooting darts at 265 fps. Everyone felt the range and accuracy was pretty even. We didn't field any Excaliburs, only Vikings and Merlins.

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So, its looks like we have an answer, they are both pretty even. The only thing warranting the buying of an excalibur over a viking, would be the fact that it is closed bolt(which makes a difference for some people).
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Yeah, thats almost all i wanted to know. Ill post some info once i get my viking.. hopefully soon!
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Wait wait wait. Auctionjunkie! weren't you going to do some bench mounted tests?

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I asked him about those. He said he wouldnt be able to do them till after this weekend, they have a tourney sunday, and are preparing for it.
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I own a shocker and an imulse, my impulse runs at a lower pressure and has a much nicer barrel, but my shocker still shoots noticably farther. I dont know if that is due to close bolt operation or not, but this is just my observation. Oh yeah, I only shoot paint that matches my barrel, so its not that either.
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My impressions;
Although I have not ran paint through either gun, I do know however, that the vikings have more kick to them than excals. So this could make them less accurate while playing but on a benchmount, it should be exactly the same.
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This is a test reply, I just typed a long, detailed, and informative reply and it f**kin didn't work, I'm not retyping it again if this doesn't go through.
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I swear to God, I've logged in 3 times and this is pissing me off, I just retyped that message and hit send and it said that I'm not logged on, It's like I can only be on for 5 min at a time or something, hell with this I give up. I did have some very valid points to make but since this forum is screwed I can't make them.
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Thats really not to far though, so it chould have just been the chrono speed up a few feet.
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AKA is in Big Trouble :)

I shoot a PBX Excalibur and I have shot paint through a Viking this weekend (finally) and I'll tell you this in no uncertain term.....

AKA will not be able to keep up with the DEMAND for their markers.

More and more people now are singing the praise and advocating to all they know that the Excalibur is the BOMB! Former owners of other electros pnuematic markers who have switched over are universally (or at the very least, predominantly) pleased with their decision.

Now enter a high quality marker that boast durability, efficiency and a higher ROF at a lower price point....WOW.

The "A" Family definitely is in big trouble.
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