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Old 11-25-2004, 10:27 AM #1
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Frenzy 15BPS Mystery- ** TESTED **

Here is the deal guys, I know many of us have a gut feeling the Frenzy board is magically capped at 15bps.

Last night I had an idea-

I found a brand new Eggy JVON prop I had for a spare. If you have never felt a JVON prop, it's like a semi stiff rubber prop.

I decided to mount the prop to an adjustable speed cordless drill. Basically, I ran a drywall screw through the prop, and into a piece of macro line. It seemed to work very well.

Now after initial testing, I came the conclusion that the prop wasnt allowing the trigger to reset fast enough, so I cut the prop down from 6 blades to 3.

I put the gun on Dry Fire (S) mode, and was only able to get a max of 16bps. I tried all different speeds, and on dry fire, it never went higher than 16bps.

Now, I did do a quick run with some paint. I put the gun on a stand, filled my Empire B with paint and fresh batteries, and ran it. I have the empire B on setting 2, which should be about 20bps. I was only able to hit 15 with the drill.

Now my drill is a Black and Decker 9.6V Firestorm, which can spin at 800 revolutions per minute. My prop has 3 blades on it, which means that the trigger is being hit-

800rpm * 3 blades = 2400 pulls per minute

2400 / 60 seconds = 40 pulls per second

This makes sense, because my readout is 15bps when the drill is at about 1/3 the speed.

Guys the initial test was not convincing. I ran about 1000 rounds through it. I have tried the stock trigger, and a CP roller trigger. I've tried it with magnets, with just spring, with no magnet or spring, just switch.

Nothing, I cant get this gun above 15bps readout.

Now after thanksgiving, I will do some more intensive testing, I'm going to remove the trigger guard, and a some trigger adjustment too. Right now, my trigger is about 2mm pull, the gun shoots the minute you touch the trigger.

Pics to follow
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Old 11-25-2004, 10:32 AM #2
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PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING*****************************


Dont flame my thread. This is an attempt to test my marker's max ROF. I know that the alias is capped at 17bps dry fire, and I know that you have a friend who has a friend who hit 21bps on an alias, and I know there are videos all over the internet of people hitting 20bps on the alias, and I know that lasoya has pulled 24bps on his alias........

I dont give a sh*t about any of it. I'm testing my personal marker. So dont embarrass yourself by posting something like this. I'm trying to do an honest experiment to help cut down the rumors. Either help me out or dont post

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Old 11-25-2004, 10:32 AM #3
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ive hit 15 on my frenzy and have seen a buddy do 17bps on my gun.

there is a video on criticalpaintball.com of a guy doing 20bps on his alias.

the only can on frenzy is in the "S" setting (dry fire) where its capped at 17bps
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Old 11-25-2004, 10:38 AM #4
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Iv hit 19 with my frenzy maybe ur just slow or the board is messed up
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Old 11-25-2004, 10:39 AM #5
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yeah same here 16 w/ paint 17 dry fire, but a good testing method either way.
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Old 11-25-2004, 10:58 AM #6
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I think your frenzy version might be relevant here. What version frenzy do you have?
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:00 AM #7
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116, the marker is brand new. It was bought from NPS @ PSP world cup
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:04 AM #8
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That drill idea is really smart.... It does seem like it is capped if the drill can hit the trigger at 40 time per sec. ARe you going by the bps count on the gun or on a chrono?
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:06 AM #9
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Now, lets get something straight. Is your gun fast? Or does it actually seem to be capped at 15bps? My gun is VERY fast, but will never read more than 16bps on the LCD because of the way Frenzy measures your ROF.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:15 AM #10
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yeah the alias is def. capped at 17 or 16 bps
i had two alias and i wasnt able to get more then 15 bps on dry fire(one with critical,the other one with CP trigger)
i dont get why its capped? i mean wtf? whats the sense of it?
and: the alias i got right know also NEVER shows more than 16 bps on forced(didnt test delayed)
i set the reloder b to 2...16 bps...put it on 3...16 bps( but you could actually hear that it was faster on 3 then on 2...) put it on 1...14 bps...
the batteries where a BIT low..but well....

i mean,i dont really need a LCD screen on my gun...but im still pissed about the 16/17 bps cap on dry fire


well..nm..these guns kick some ***,i love them


PS:oh and i shot another alias once..i was able to hit 16 with it on dry fire...but it also NEVER displayed more then 16 bps on forced also( always used a halo)
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:16 AM #11
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with frenxy 110, dry fire, no paint or air iv got 17 bps, jsut alot of bounce and rampedge
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:27 AM #12
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Try messing with the settings.
Lower the dwell a little and lower the bolt delay some.
You will experience problems if you go to low.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:41 AM #13
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After thanksgiving, I plan on buying 2 cases of TC whitebox and really test this out with a chrono

I'm going to experiment with every different setting imaginable to get this gun to read 20bps on the readout. If my prop spins at 40bps, there is no reason why the gun wont fire 20bps, it's definitely getting a smooth input of trigger pulls

I'm also going to see if the chrono reading is different than the readout on the LCD. And, I'm going to try this drill bit out on a few other guns, like an Angel Speed, Dye DM4, etc

And I'll try different LPR pressures, maybe too much pressure into the valve slows down the spool.

We will get to the bottom of this mystery folks I promise you that
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:48 AM #14
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try adjusting ur trigger, i have a techna trigger on my alias, and i put the middle screw rediculously close to the microswitch. after i did that i was able to shoot 18-19
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:49 AM #15
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And this prop works, my gun reads 15bps in less than 30 pulls. This prop hits this trigger extremely fast
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:51 AM #16
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cool test man and great idea, cant wait for more results.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:52 AM #17
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iv hit 17 on a frenzy 113 in dry fire
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:52 AM #18
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ive hit 19 in simulate wiht my 116 frenzy (no air). it was a very freek sort of thing. i was using a sonicare electric toothbrush. usually it capps out a 18
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:22 PM #19
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cool test you Timmy Scientist. I can't wait to see the final results.
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:23 PM #20
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I hit 19 on my friends Naughty dogs. ive done tht kind of stuff before but with an electri tooth brush. I can hit 41 on my timmy with one but it has W.A.S. with no air of course. im not gonna risk my noid.
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