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Old 09-25-2004, 11:08 AM #22
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I need to get money together quick before all the olive ones disappear
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Old 09-25-2004, 03:45 PM #23
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Why does this come as such a suprise to some of you? I've been saying this would happen around this time for the past few months, but no one wanted to believe me...
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Old 09-25-2004, 07:20 PM #24
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which cup is the dm5 coming out at world cup(orlando) or commanders cup(san diego)
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Old 09-25-2004, 07:32 PM #25
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Old 09-25-2004, 07:43 PM #26
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Dang our dm4s will no be longer top of the line of DYE, we all knew this day will come...so I say viva la dm4!

DM4 Always and Forever!!!

unless there really is a dm5, and its better, and if I have a thousand something dollars, then ill buy a dm5.
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Old 09-25-2004, 07:49 PM #27
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i hope the dm5 is just a rumor and theres really no such thing so my new dm4 will stay at the top
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its really coming out....sorry bud
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Old 09-26-2004, 02:18 PM #29
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Think about it, Warped still hasent come out with the Dark Dm4. They wont make a Dark Dm4 if there was a Dm5 coming out. That would be just plain stupid. No Dm5, but dark Dm4
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Old 09-26-2004, 04:59 PM #31
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will they orignial matrix prices drop?
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From what I understand they are selling the last of the matrix's and was told when they are gone,their gone. I don't know what will replace them.
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Think about it, Warped still hasent come out with the Dark Dm4. They wont make a Dark Dm4 if there was a Dm5 coming out. That would be just plain stupid. No Dm5, but dark Dm4
your going into denial bro.....
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I own a pb shop in ca HB and I called my sell's rep and he sad that the map price is still $1349.95.....HE's going to call pbgear.com and tell them
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Old 09-27-2004, 12:27 AM #35
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New MAP pricing is $1149.95. Your rep is wrong.
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New MAP pricing is $1149.95. Your rep is wrong. No he's 100%
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Old 09-27-2004, 09:05 AM #37
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New MAP is $1149.95 TODAY. A ton of dealers jumped the 'gun though...

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Old 09-27-2004, 10:35 AM #38
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Dealers didn't jump the gun. Gen E announced the sale and new MAP price on the 23rd. Apparently it wasn't supposed to go into effect until today. It was too late to change anything
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general joes too they have red.black for 1150
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dm4 and free tadao, who's your farmer?!
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According to MY dye rep the proto matrix is replacing the dye matrix lcd and they "know nothing about there being a dm5 to be repleased at cup". The msrp has not been set on the proto yet. Apperently, pgi leaked the proto add early. The proto was suppose to be released at cup. Take all of this with a huge grain of salt. We all know how secretive companies like to be. My thought is there WILL be a dm5 because why else would they stop production of the dm4 and drop the price while it's still one of the most popular markers on the scene. We're going into cup which is always the launching pad for new products and begins the ramp up for christmas sales.

Btw, my opinion on the proto is that dye has goofed. If the performance equals the dm4 then it will probably be reasonably successful, but if not then it'll flop badly. I say this because I'm guesstimating the msrp to be around 1k. At that price it'll have a lot of competetion from the 05 speed. I think dye should have done what wdp has done with the speed. Tons of great "performance" features in a simple bare bones platform. In other words, all chills and no frills. I think most of us would agree that a plain simple looking body in just a few standard colors that contained the board/chip, eyes, lpr, hyper 2 reg, and fuse bolt of the dm4 for 850.00 would be very high on most peoples lists.

About my comparison to the 05 speed: I'm not trying to start up any "this is better than that" crap. I'm just saying that I think the 05 speed based on it's price, quality, and features will be very appealing to many people. The proto is going to be hit or miss in it's appeal. Dye should have cut the production costs (i.e. complicated milling, annoing, tech writting of a new manual, packaging, and the ultralite barrel) and kept the cost in the things that really matter. A "sleeper" dm4 (dye lcd matrix... hello) would have done very well imo.

The good news for those of us that already own a dm4 should be that the resale value of our guns shouldn't really drop that much. With the dm5 probably going to be around 1400.00 and the proto probably going to be around 1000.00 and no more dm4s being produced the resale of used dm4s in really good condition shouldn't be less than 1100.00. This probably won't be the case though. People will freak out and be stupid and start letting them go for 800.00-900.00 just to get quick easy sales so they can hurry up and get the next lastest and greatest dm. People will say that they're 1150.00 nib so a used one should be a lot less, but you have to remember the law of supply and demand. Sure, they're 1150.00 right now while you can get them. Once these last few are gone then what? People will still want them and the only source will be the used market. So if folks are smart and hold out the resale should be decent, but they probably won't.

Sorry to be so long winded. This is all just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
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Old 10-02-2004, 02:35 AM #42
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my boys shop was sellin'em for 1150. Definalty gonna grab me up one of them bad *****es.
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