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Old 08-19-2004, 01:43 PM #1
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Swift boat Veterans for Truth apparently not very truthful.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB9ATWE2YD.html

It turns out the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth aren't very truthful. Do we then know if in fact their boats were even swift?
Besides,
While Kerry claims to have been under fire, he was really conceiving a love child with a negro. Oh, no wait...that was Mccain, the other war hero.

Typical election year politics:
1) Slander opponent with outright lies, exagerations, and falsehoods.
2) Opponent spends time and money refuting claims established in (1)
3) Opponent is discredited in peoples mind even though he/she proves he/she is innocent of said lies, exagerations, and falsehoods.
4) move forth with election

It is always sad to see this tactic in use.
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Old 08-19-2004, 01:49 PM #2
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While Kerry claims to have been under fire, he was really conceiving a love child with a negro. Oh, no wait...that was Mccain, the other war hero.
Source, you racist bastard.
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Why do you need a source? Look back at the slander campaign that Bush ran against McCain in the primaries.
John McCain lost South Carolina because of outright lies and fabrications that Bush's supporters started.
They broke out with the whole machine as McCain had carried New Hampshire, allegations of drug abuse, alcoholism, and yes even rumors of having a love child with a person of African American descent.
I'm sure your kidding about the whole "racist bastard" thing.
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I love how Bush attacks other peoples combat records while never having seen combat himself.
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I love how Bush attacks other peoples combat records while never having seen combat himself.
Now you KNOW I have to use the Slinger-word on that one. Quoting Kerry's accusation today won't count. Link me to one legitimate source of the President attacking Kerry's war record. One.
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I love how Bush attacks other peoples combat records while never having seen combat himself.
Don't forget the deserting. Gotta love that...
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Don't forget the deserting. Gotta love that...
I await proof of that one as well.
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Now you KNOW I have to use the Slinger-word on that one. Quoting Kerry's accusation today won't count. Link me to one legitimate source of the President attacking Kerry's war record. One.
Bush had an ad attacking Kerry's war record. Give me a couple minutes and I will get a source.

EDIT: Here is a source.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...p_world _news

As is implied in the first paragraph, Kerry's war record has been attacked by Bush.
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I await proof of that one as well.
Have you been living under a rock?

EDIT: Here is a "biased" source

http://www.carolinapeace.org/viewArticle.php?id=58


EDIT EDIT: Here is a very lengthy one.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
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EDIT: Here is a source.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...=top_world_news

As is implied in the first paragraph, Kerry's war record has been attacked by Bush.
Try again. Read the source first next time.

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EDIT: Here is a "biased" source

http://www.carolinapeace.org/viewArticle.php?id=58
At least you admit the source is biased.

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EDIT EDIT: Here is a very lengthy one.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
Yup, you admitted that it was long....

Gotta love conspiracy theories....
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As is implied in the first paragraph, Kerry's war record has been attacked by Bush.
No, by a Republican group. ::cough cough:: Swift boat.

Read a bit below that:
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``John Kerry knows that President Bush has said that his service in Vietnam was noble service,'' said Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for President George W. Bush's campaign.
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Redford you need to finish reading the first source you posted. Larry Thurlow admits what is in his citiation is not what happened that day. According to Mr Thurlow his own citation is a fabrication. If that is true then Mr Thurlow is correct when he accuses Kerry of being a liar.
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"especially his claim that U.S. troops committed war crimes with the knowledge of their officers up the chain of command. "

Not that I have a source, but it's quite true that soldiers in Veitnam commited war crimes.

"He said he would not authorize release of his military records because he feared the Kerry campaign would discredit him. "

Or because it may show something that might hurt his case aginst Kerry...



So, who to believe? A registered Republican searching for 15 mins of fame, or a man that Kerry saved out of a river under fire?
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This reminded me of a damning newspiece I found on the BBC... ****! WHAT THE HELL WAS IT!
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Have you been living under a rock?

EDIT: Here is a "biased" source

http://www.carolinapeace.org/viewArticle.php?id=58


EDIT EDIT: Here is a very lengthy one.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
none of that is proof, proof=evidence(not somebodys opinion)
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Redford you need to finish reading the first source you posted. Larry Thurlow admits what is in his citiation is not what happened that day. According to Mr Thurlow his own citation is a fabrication. If that is true then Mr Thurlow is correct when he accuses Kerry of being a liar.
So, he calls Kerry a liar, by admitting his own liar-dom? I'd trust him to dictate our nations policy.
This is a subject that we may never know the truth, I'd be happy if it were to fade away. It wont though as both sides have touted thier "war experience" to the hilt.
Although when a guy that wasn't even in Kerry's boat makes discretditing remarks, I'd question that. When a guy that Kerry pulled out of the water recalls receiving gunfire when Kerry pulled him out, it seems to me I'd think is genuine.
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Now you KNOW I have to use the Slinger-word on that one. Quoting Kerry's accusation today won't count. Link me to one legitimate source of the President attacking Kerry's war record. One.

No source needed. There is no doubt the "conservative movement" and what were once called "Right wing extremists" are blurring together. Conservative today, is what the GOP is touting today, not the values which I held for the better part of my life. Conservatives today only know who to blame (anti-american liberals) for just about every problem that arises, they don't care about fixing them.
The mainstream conservative movement, driven by the popularity of Clinton, became more ideologically ridgid and fanatical.
This is where any thoughts contrary to the policy of this administration is touted as being "liberal" even though it may have been a conservative value a decade ago.
This ideology has spawned a new brand of fanatical supporter to whom no level of invective can be too vicious. The summation resulted in Clintons impeachment, which I have no problem with.
Man people who a decade ago were happy watching Nascar or playing armchair quarterback during NFL season are now proud and loud adamant Bush supporters.
The far right has become a resonant chamber to test right wing (often times following christian theology) ideas to find out which ones could stick with more mainstream conservatives. This is how the Clinton (insert liberal) viritrol came to be. If the ideas they spread stuck, they made it into the mainstream through Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, etc. for the masses to semi-cogitate and share amongst their cohorts.
Look at Pat Robertson, Fallwell, Sullivan, Ann Coulter, Paul Weyrich, and others who actively convey anti-leftist and at times extremist material into the mainstream.
Even FreeRepublic.com have engaged in acts of dissention and detestable acts against "liberal" targets.

These people are the reason Bush doesn't need to run negative ads against Kerry. He already has a mass of rich right-wingers doing it for him.
Rich Texans (or insert pundits name here) ante up the cash for a TV ad showing how Kerry is a coward, liar, liberal, chose your poison which often times are outright lies, fabrication, or distortions.
Even if the opponent actively discredits those lies, that's what sticks in peoples minds, not the fact someone lied to discredit opponent.

Either way, it is certain to me that Bush and his family are not the type who would actively underwrite any of these far-right organizations today as the discovery of such would spell certain doom for his family. (besides, they already did thier part making money from the Nazi war machine)

What is clear is that Bush and CO. have not the least amount of compunction about allying themselves with the thuggish and potentially violent component of extreme elements that have been taken in by the Republican party.
This is why you will never see Bush denounce a negative (or outright fabricated) television, radio, or newpaper ad.

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At least you're consistent......
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I'm still wondering if their boats were indeed as swift as the name implies.
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Please allow me to take every instance of "right", "conservative", "GOP", and replace every conservative name in there with names of Times and Washington Post editors.

Guess what? It is the SAME EXACT ARGUMENT FOR BOTH SIDES!

There are just as many liberal "anti-Americans" as there are "right wing nutjobs".

So the whole long paragraph where you mustered up your finest big words was a big rant and ramble about what everybody already knows about the RIGHT and LEFT.
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