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Old 08-19-2004, 05:19 PM #1
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A brief description of Bush's campaign.

"...a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense


That seems like a pretty decent summary of Bush's campaign. He thinks that if he repeats a lie enough, people will think that it is a truth. It seems to be working. Most people will use 9/11 as a justification of the Iraq war thanks to Bush. Most people think that Al-Quida is linked to Saddam, thanks to Bush. Most people think that stem cell research is the same as killing babies, thanks to Bush. Most people think that Kerry's war record is exaggerated and fabricated, thanks to Bush and Bush supporters. Most people think that Bush is the only person that will stop terrorism, thanks to Bush.
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Old 08-19-2004, 06:09 PM #2
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Re: A brief description of Bush's campaign.

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Most people will use 9/11 as a justification of the Iraq war thanks to Bush. Most people think that Al-Quida is linked to Saddam, thanks to Bush. Most people think that stem cell research is the same as killing babies, thanks to Bush. Most people think that Kerry's war record is exaggerated and fabricated, thanks to Bush and Bush supporters. Most people think that Bush is the only person that will stop terrorism, thanks to Bush.
9/11 wasn't the reason we are in Iraq, budddddy.

Al-Qaeda has links to Saddam, buddddddy.

Culling stem cells DOES kill embryos, and Bush only restricted it... buddddddy.

Kerry's war record is somewhat exaggerated. But, guess what? Bush's administration never bashed it, nor did his "buddies". As I sourced in another thread, Bush said Kerry's involvment is honorable.

Seeing as Bush's foreign policies, especially related to the War on Terror, are better developed than those of Kerry's, yes, he is probably better than Kerry in this area. Even Democratic strategists know this, hence why they do not bring up the war often, but more domestic issues.


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How's that for a summary of the Kerry campaign?
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Re: Re: A brief description of Bush's campaign.

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9/11 wasn't the reason we are in Iraq, budddddy.

Al-Qaeda has links to Saddam, buddddddy.

Culling stem cells DOES kill embryos, and Bush only restricted it... buddddddy.

Kerry's war record is somewhat exaggerated. But, guess what? Bush's administration never bashed it, nor did his "buddies". As I sourced in another thread, Bush said Kerry's involvment is honorable.

Seeing as Bush's foreign policies, especially related to the War on Terror, are better developed than those of Kerry's, yes, he is probably better than Kerry in this area. Even Democratic strategists know this, hence why they do not bring up the war often, but more domestic issues.


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Re: Re: A brief description of Bush's campaign.

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9/11 wasn't the reason we are in Iraq, budddddy.
He knows.

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Al-Qaeda has links to Saddam, buddddddy.
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Culling stem cells DOES kill embryos, and Bush only restricted it... buddddddy.
It's not like scientists were planning on harvesting human beings. They were planning on taking aborted fetuses and stem cells from bone marrow and other places from adults but Bush put restrictions on THOSE too. I'll make a new thread about it so I don't have to hijack this one. I'll put sources there.

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Kerry's war record is somewhat exaggerated. But, guess what? Bush's administration never bashed it, nor did his "buddies". As I sourced in another thread, Bush said Kerry's involvment is honorable.
That's about how I feel.

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Seeing as Bush's foreign policies, especially related to the War on Terror, are better developed than those of Kerry's, yes, he is probably better than Kerry in this area. Even Democratic strategists know this, hence why they do not bring up the war often, but more domestic issues.
No, they bring up domestic issues more because that's most people's main complaint about Bush. He didn't pay enough attention to the economy and domestic issues. Kerry is using this as leverage. (s.)
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CBS News

^^This says there are no Iraq-Qaeda links
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Bush Stands by LInk

Case Closed

Cheney Blasts Media

Commission Confirms Links

Mathews interview with Kean, 9/11 Commission Chairman
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Re: Re: Re: Re: A brief description of Bush's campaign.

Your first one just says Bush still thinks he's right.

Your second one is an obviously very conservative biased site.

Your third one just says Cheney still thinks he's right.

To quote you're fourth one:
[quote]The staff report concludes that:

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? Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan."
So Bin Laden thought about talking to Iraq. Not necessarily, Saddam, just Iraq.

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? "A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994."
An Iraqi official, who may, or may not have been ordered by Saddam to go there, visited Sudan twice, possibly on different business, then met with one of the wealthiest men in Sudan. Strange? Not at all.

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? "Contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan."
Contacts between Iraq and Al-Qaeda were made after Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. This could mean an Iraqi official, not under orders from Saddam, met with an Al-Qaeda official. Ok. Great.

Notice that each one of the claims is almost moronically vague.

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CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: This is a development a lot of people will find clarifying is that there was no direct connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.

THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: Well, that's what our staff has found. Now, it doesn't mean there weren't al Qaeda connections with Iraq over the years. They're somewhat shadowy

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Without reading the sources, wasn't ol' one leg associated with O/Usama?

BTW I'm really sad that I got no response from ANYONE on my sillyass post....
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Excuse me, but al Qaeda and Iraq link pertaining to 9/11 was NOT the topic. It was simply an Iraq and al Qaeda link at all.

I believe the Mathews-Kean discussion showed my point well.

It is well known that there was no Qaeda-Iraq collaboration with 9/11. Please, Slinger, everybody knows that.

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LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN

What the governor referred to is also true. There are all kinds of ties. There are all kinds of connections. And it may very well have been that Osama bin Laden or some of his lieutenants met at some time with Saddam Hussein lieutenants.
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Excuse me, but al Qaeda and Iraq link pertaining to 9/11 was NOT the topic. It was simply an Iraq and al Qaeda link at all.

I believe the Mathews-Kean discussion showed my point well.

It is well known that there was no Qaeda-Iraq collaboration with 9/11. Please, Slinger, everybody knows that.
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LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN

What the governor referred to is also true. There are all kinds of ties. There are all kinds of connections. And it may very well have been that Osama bin Laden or some of his lieutenants met at some time with Saddam Hussein lieutenants.
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Even that statement is supremely vague. Everytime you hear anything about Iraq-Qaeda link, its always, "maybe" or "possibly". If they've spent years reviewing the evidence and the best they can say is, "It is shadowy", that should sound an alarm. It means they found almost nothing but a few circumstantial documents and maybe a few he said she saids. Maybe some guy named Curveball told them Iraq had Qaeda links.

If they did an investigation of Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Syria, I bet they'd find some "shadowy" link between them. It's a large terrorist organization that operates all over the middle east. How could they NOT have some link with some vague officer somewhere buried in the rank of corrupt government officials?

Let me know when they say a single definitive statement.
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"There are all kinds of ties. There are all kinds of connections."

You damn well know there is.
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bastards, i need to look up that 9/11 report, it states that iraq offered al-queada refuge. and dont try to say that they are biased
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I finished the 9/11 report this morning. Only took a couple days. I am saddened to say it didn't include a couple sections that I wanted to see
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So what's the reason we went to war in Iraq this week?

Ohhh, the War on Terror. Indeed Saddam was a bad man, no doubt there. His links with Al-queda remain to be questionable.
The problem here is that we pre-emptively invaded a country under the catchy "war on terror" phrase.

The war on terror is going to end up much like the war on drugs, or the war on poverty, or the war on education, etc. Inordinate amounts of money will be spent in order to find a couple of "teaaarrists", "insurgents", "enemy combatants" (whatever they are called this week) that are building pipe-bombs in their basement.
It costs 100 million dollars a day to be in Iraq, when we are fighting people with Soviet made surplus arms.
These people have figured out it's cheap to fight the US, and that many times we don't have the stomach to follow through with much of what we start.
They learn, we don't. That's the straight dope.

Oh about that 9/11 commission, wasn't bush against it then he was for it? That silly bush always flip-flopping around like a fish outta water. Heh.
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Oh about that 9/11 commission, wasn't bush against it then he was for it? That silly bush always flip-flopping around like a fish outta water. Heh.
Shows how much you know about the issues
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in509096.shtml

He didn't want a bi-partisan panel, he wanted a congressional panel, congress is controlled by______(S)_.
Fill in the blank smart guy.

The white house didn't want anything to do with the 9/11 report, rightfully so, as the intelligence failure could have pointed right back at the white house.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4208768

"Commission sources tell NEWSWEEK that panel members are fed up with what one calls "maddening" restrictions by White House lawyers on their access to key documents. Unless the panel gets to see the docs, the report "will not withstand the laugh test," a commission official says. The panel is threatening to force a showdown soonóby voting to subpoena the White House."

They were going to subpoena the white house in order to have the adminsitration submit "KEY" documents that dealt with 9/11.
Yet, Bush and co. pride themselves at being tough on terrorism? And they don't cooperate with the investigation?

Spin it anyway you want, they didn't want to play ball with the people who were investigating the "intelligence failures" which led up to 9/11.
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Ehem, Bush never said that he does not want the matter to be investigated. You led your post to believe that he did, then didn't want the investigation.

Fill in the blank? Congress is balanced enough to carry out an investigation. There wouldn't be as many partisan problems as you'd like to believe.

The Bush administration felt the documents weren't necessary to release. The 9/11 Commission explained the importance and they were given. I remember hearing that in some speech that Bush gave, and then it was verified probably on CNN short after.

How about the member of Clinton's administration who attempted to destroy a document?
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Ehem, Bush never said that he does not want the matter to be investigated. You led your post to believe that he did, then didn't want the investigation.


It appears as though initially bush didn't want a commission unless the format were picked by him or someone he could trust.
What would have been wrong with an outside bi-partisan panel?

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True but the timeframe would have put the report coming out way past the election.....which might have been what bush wanted.

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Sure they handed it over, after they threatened to subpeona the white house. They didn't cooperate as openly as they should have. Seems to me it took less time for them to convince people that invading iraq was a good idea, than it took for them to fork over the paper work which dealt directly with 9/11. Which is more important?

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Honestly, I've never heard of that....did Limbaugh tell you that?
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True but the timeframe would have put the report coming out way past the election.....which might have been what bush wanted.

Sure they handed it over, after they threatened to subpeona the white house. They didn't cooperate as openly as they should have. Seems to me it took less time for them to convince people that invading iraq was a good idea, than it took for them to fork over the paper work which dealt directly with 9/11. Which is more important?

Honestly, I've never heard of that....did Limbaugh tell you that?
First off, I don't listen to Limbaugh. I watch O'Reilly, read a couple articles in the times, read MSN headlines, read the Star Ledger, then watch the rest of the news on CNN. That is essentially my day concerning politics.

It's easy to be a monday morning quarterback and see what could make sense afterward. That comment you made about Iraq is something Moore would write, honestly...

There is no way to say if it would have come out past the election, because it didn't happen.
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I would still like to know which member of Clintons administration tried to destroy documents?

I can't find anything about it....I'll try for a search on limbaugh though to confirm or deny my suspicions.
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