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Old 08-18-2004, 11:42 PM #85
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Considering you are the one who has been disproven at every turn and whose every argument has been refuted in our discussion, I would suggest you call for help. Get over the petty name calling and get to work trying to realize that your argument in inferior and in need of modification.
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Wait... lemme get this straight. You provide a good nonbiased document that says all the damages of 9-11 amount to 16 billion, and you also provided an interesting little "study" that I subsequently tore apart about how 94% of the nation's early political documents were form the bible.

Hmmm... What am I missing here?
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No, I said that 86 billion was a small portion of the actual damages--something which you stuck your foot in your mouth disproving.

Then, we turned to God in another thread and you did provide and interesting additional point which while weakening my original haphazard evidence, did nothing to disprove its content which was simply that this nation was expressly founded on Judeo-Christian principles. I further went onto say that other religions shouldnt be suppressed -- only that the truth be acknowledged -- to which no other argument can be made.

Its past your bedtime and your out of your league. You should let it lie.
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No, I said that 86 billion was a small portion of the actual damages--something which you stuck your foot in your mouth disproving.
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Consumer confidence has fought back from the gloom that enveloped the nation following the events of Sept. 11. The Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index (CCI) rose by a strong 10.4 percent during the final month of 2001, following steep losses during both September and October and a marginal 0.5 percent decline in November. The CCI had fallen for five consecutive months before December's bounce back.
To paraphrase. Decline in CCI for a few months after 9-11. Then It rose back up. Wow. Those really are big implications of why the economy is bad. (s.)

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Then, we turned to God in another thread and you did provide and interesting additional point which while weakening my original haphazard evidence, did nothing to disprove its content which was simply that this nation was expressly founded on Judeo-Christian principles. I further went onto say that other religions shouldnt be suppressed -- only that the truth be acknowledged -- to which no other argument can be made.
And this truth is that you're right no matter what? No matter that other religons have as much if not more evidence than you? Turn on the National Geography channel sometime. There are tribes in Africa, Thailand, India, etc, that believe they channel spirits through their body. They are completely convinced. That seems a little stonger case than, "Well, er, a book told me to believe in it and I don't question anything."

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http://www.tipponline.com/articles/03/ibd/i011403.htm

Consumer confidence only made a temporary rebound which is what was reflected in said study I originally showed.

edit: Thumbing through an economic journal from July, I saw some mixed reports on confidence. I can't say who is definitively right. At any rate--the confidence shock after 9/11 was crippling. Are we still feeling it? Maybe. Can we afford to be threatened with it again? The $64,000 ?, to which my answer is no. Coming from a family of small business owners and being one myself--it hurts.

As far as Christianity goes, I have questioned everything imaginable. I grew up in a Christian home but because agnostic as a teenager thanks to a heavy dose of scientific theory (which in retrospect was odd as both of my parents are scientists--one with an MD and BS and the other with a PhD) . I only recently came back into a relationship with Christ after reading some scientific books on the validity of Christianity by Lee Strobel which I highly recommend and havent been happier since. I hope that you can find the same inner peace that can only come from that relationship. We are talking about whether there will be Middle East peace and the success of the US though so I think that opinion is about all anyone is going to have. I just pointed out the Biblical references which oddly mirror the situation in the real world. It is interesting how often it is right.

As for going to bed, I think it is past my bedtime since I do have a real life to get back to and my girlfriend just pulled out an old picture someone sent me back in the day that said "arguing on the internet is like the special olympics--even if you win, you're still retarted"

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I think it is funny how comparing car accidents and gun violence to terrorism justifies terrorism not being important enough to wage war on.

How many people die of heart disease? If I recall this is the number one killer of Americans. All a person has to do is stop stuffing his face every day with greasy foods and exercise. I suppose you liberals would be in favor of controlling what people eat and foricing them to exercise huh?

How many people die becaue of Alcohol related incendents? We already tried prohibition.

How many people die because of tobacco? I think it is funny how liberals advocate legalizing mariuana but want to bad cigarettes because it kills people.

How many people die of AIDS? Do the libs want to regulate sex?
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No how about finding a way to better fight heart disease and a cure for AIDS...

We already have laws that limit alcohol... There are legal limits...

As for tobacco... I'm not going to ban cigarettes, I'd sooner find a cure for cancer.... Which is the third leading killer of Americans if I remember correctly...
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Banning cigs practically WOULD cure cancer.
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So then you're for all legalization of drugs (cocaine, herion, meth, etc.) and prostitution?

So I'm supposed to believe, because of a friend of a friend, that the level of terror and amount of terrorists are FAR greater than what the already bloated numbers the press gives are? Look up the odds of dying in a terror attack vs. dying in a car crash. Just for giggles. Personal experience is a poor indicator of how much terrorism is out there. Personal experience is only an itsy bitsy speck of waht's really out there. Maybe your friends are in a highly volatile area. Other's who say there's virtually no terrorism, may be in an extremely peaceful area. It doesn't matter unless you look at the big picture.

I'll believe the ricin incident was a big event when bush makes it a big event seeing as it's one of the very few incidents that they found ANYTHING in Iraq. To quote:

"... Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan. ..."
Actually I do believe in legalizing prostitution( i stated my reasoons in another post). I'm not for legalizing coke or heroine, let's get that out there so you know where I stand on those 3 things.

Your not supposed to believe a friend of a friend. I was stating that we never know what is going on because of classified information. If you can't think that things happen that we never know of then you need to do some soul searching. If your in the military your in danger. period. How about all the anthrax that is still being delivered to offices across the world....someone has the chemical and is sending it....

You know where all saddams chemicals are? I think Iran, syria. Now let me ask you this, if you were the president and you found a large stockpile of chemicals in Iraq would you tell everyone you found them?

sorry for the delay in response, I'm only on during owrk hours.

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a thought

if we only lost ten billion after 911 that would be enough to tumble the economy. Look what happened after the verdict about micrsoft..the economy started the downward spiral then...thanks to clinton for that one....so yes even a 10 billion dollar hit can be drastic.

I know your saying 16 or something, I'm saying even if it was only 10 billion, it's enough to do major damage.
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if we only lost ten billion after 911 that would be enough to tumble the economy. Look what happened after the verdict about micrsoft..the economy started the downward spiral then...thanks to clinton for that one....so yes even a 10 billion dollar hit can be drastic.

I know your saying 16 or something, I'm saying even if it was only 10 billion, it's enough to do major damage.
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I think it is funny how comparing car accidents and gun violence to terrorism justifies terrorism not being important enough to wage war on.

How many people die of heart disease? If I recall this is the number one killer of Americans. All a person has to do is stop stuffing his face every day with greasy foods and exercise. I suppose you liberals would be in favor of controlling what people eat and foricing them to exercise huh?

How many people die becaue of Alcohol related incendents? We already tried prohibition.

How many people die because of tobacco? I think it is funny how liberals advocate legalizing mariuana but want to bad cigarettes because it kills people.

How many people die of AIDS? Do the libs want to regulate sex?


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Cheeseburger bill, republican made, passed by the house, white house endorsed.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/...167966,00.html

Re: Alcohol Related Accidents
I'm not sure why you would bring this up in your semi-coherent rant, all I can figure is that those pesky "liberals" you seem to hate so much want to get rid of alcohol.
Notwithstanding the fact that Bush is a recovering Alcoholic, he inititated Faith Based inititatives to deal with addiction to drugs and alcohol, seems like a good thing if you like giving taxpayers money to "faith based" groups, I don't. Anyway, 70 percent of Dems supported, 81 percent of Repubs.....hmmmm not too partisan. But quite the compassionate conservative he is.

http://santorum.senate.gov/press/010411article.html


Re: Tobacco and Marijuana
In the last election the biggest donor to the Republican Party in this election was Phillip Morris. Clinton actually filed for FDA regulation of big tobacco thus alienating them. No matter, tobacco is intertwined quite deep in our economy, I would hope both sides would agree on that.
as per Marijuana legalization, it's not the polarized issue you so wish to make it. There are dems and repubs on both sides of the issue.

http://www.mpp.org/NY/news_6281.html

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Jesus man, look at yourself.
If by "libs" you mean "christian right" you would be correct.
The issue of gay rights kind of comes up....John Ashcroft wants to get rid of porn, sex-toys, don't even start on the republican abstinence-only platform.


Hey, a word of advise. It's not the "liberals" you have to worry about in the next election. It's the moderates and independents that make up the swing vote.
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Cheeseburger bill, republican made, passed by the house, white house endorsed.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/...167966,00.html

Re: Alcohol Related Accidents
I'm not sure why you would bring this up in your semi-coherent rant, all I can figure is that those pesky "liberals" you seem to hate so much want to get rid of alcohol.
Notwithstanding the fact that Bush is a recovering Alcoholic, he inititated Faith Based inititatives to deal with addiction to drugs and alcohol, seems like a good thing if you like giving taxpayers money to "faith based" groups, I don't. Anyway, 70 percent of Dems supported, 81 percent of Repubs.....hmmmm not too partisan. But quite the compassionate conservative he is.

http://santorum.senate.gov/press/010411article.html


Re: Tobacco and Marijuana
In the last election the biggest donor to the Republican Party in this election was Phillip Morris. Clinton actually filed for FDA regulation of big tobacco thus alienating them. No matter, tobacco is intertwined quite deep in our economy, I would hope both sides would agree on that.
as per Marijuana legalization, it's not the polarized issue you so wish to make it. There are dems and repubs on both sides of the issue.

http://www.mpp.org/NY/news_6281.html



Jesus man, look at yourself.
If by "libs" you mean "christian right" you would be correct.
The issue of gay rights kind of comes up....John Ashcroft wants to get rid of porn, sex-toys, don't even start on the republican abstinence-only platform.


Hey, a word of advise. It's not the "liberals" you have to worry about in the next election. It's the moderates and independents that make up the swing vote.
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This is why the respect meter reads, "Feed me".

I hope you DO hit someone with an economical, fuel efficient, practical car and you go to jail for being a selfish *******.
Its already happened. Some dumb broad wasnt paying attention and rear-ended me doing 45. I had $200 in superficial damage to my bumper and taillight and she totaled her Mazda. Didnt even know she hit me until I started to pull away and took her hood and engine block with me.
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Actually I do believe in legalizing prostitution( i stated my reasoons in another post). I'm not for legalizing coke or heroine, let's get that out there so you know where I stand on those 3 things.
So SEATBELTS are too restrictive on your freedom... but making drugs illegal isn't? I mean, if it's your body, what does the government care what you do with it, right?

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Your not supposed to believe a friend of a friend. I was stating that we never know what is going on because of classified information. If you can't think that things happen that we never know of then you need to do some soul searching. If your in the military your in danger. period. How about all the anthrax that is still being delivered to offices across the world....someone has the chemical and is sending it....
We can know the big picture. How many soldiers died, why we did/didn't go in there etc. Just because some missions are classified doesn't mean the American public doesn't know enough to form an informed opinion about why we went.

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You know where all saddams chemicals are? I think Iran, syria.
And what lead you to that conclusion? I suppose you ignored the fact we have had major spy sattelites trained on Iraq for years. (s.) (s.)

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Now let me ask you this, if you were the president and you found a large stockpile of chemicals in Iraq would you tell everyone you found them?
Hell yes! Especially if I made my aides make outrageous claims about how much weaponry Iraq had. Bush already told the world that he had massive stockpiles so what's the difference in telling them that he found them? The administration has already claimed they haven't found any WMDs yet. (s.)
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I'm confused. Which party is this supposed to be supportive of? Personally, I don't mind a bill that says I can't sue McDonalds for the size of my ***.

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Now, I'm not saying I know anything, but if it was me, I'd keep the discovery a secret until closer to the election, letting the Democrats keep using the no WMD argument until it was too late to think up a new one.
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RedfordRenegade did you read that hamburger bill? It doesn't regulate what we can eat, it says you can't sue McD's for making you fat. It says that in the first few lines of your source.

If anything this is a bill that protects small business owners from idiots. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Helping people get over their addiciton isn't regulation of alcohol.

My point is about SlingerXL's arguments about seat belt laws. He thinks they are necessary to save us from ourselves. Using his same logic it is safe to assume we shouldn't be able to eat or drink what we want and the gov. should tell us what we need to do.

Again, I don't see how the gov funding any rehab programs is forcing people to not abuse alchol. As far as this argument goes it is not really partisan, I am aware that prohibition was brought about by religeous fundamentalists. However, as I said before SlingerXL wants to save us from ourselves. My point is to show that prohibition failed and regulation of alchol on that scale doesn't work.


The above argument applies to tobacco, too.

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So SEATBELTS are too restrictive on your freedom... but making drugs illegal isn't? I mean, if it's your body, what does the government care what you do with it, right?
Yes too restrictive. With your above last sentence, why should the government care if I choose not to wear a seatbelt. I'll be the only one hurt by it. If you'll notice what I posted I only said I think prostitution should be legalized out of the ones you threw at me. Not once did I say anything about drugs(except I believe marijuana should be legal, that one is safer than alcohol).


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We can know the big picture. How many soldiers died, why we did/didn't go in there etc. Just because some missions are classified doesn't mean the American public doesn't know enough to form an informed opinion about why we went.
This would have been avoided if Clinton would have done his job and kept the inspections going like the un said to. You know saddam worked for us in the past right? You don't let people like that run amuk, you keep them tethered. I'll have to reasearch this but as far as I remember we went in under un resolutions from the first gulf war. Which basically was Saddams non-compliance. I'll get back on this one.



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And what lead you to that conclusion? I suppose you ignored the fact we have had major spy sattelites trained on Iraq for years. (s.) (s.)
Spy satellites are everywhere. Doesn't mean you can't move things from one country to another. The rest is this is just a hunch of mine and so cannot be backed with facts, but cannot be disproved either.


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Hell yes! Especially if I made my aides make outrageous claims about how much weaponry Iraq had. Bush already told the world that he had massive stockpiles so what's the difference in telling them that he found them? The administration has already claimed they haven't found any WMDs yet. (s.)
If you wanted to control the world, and this country was a key theater to own....I would say I never found anything and keep looking. Why admit it at this point in time. You never play a high card when you don't have to.
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All I have to do is quote Brewmaster: "Source"
What he means is quote Slinger... Brewmaster stole source from him...
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