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Old 08-16-2004, 12:39 PM #22
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:49 PM #23
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There are MUCH bigger threats than terrorism. Car and guns come to mind. How about putting more seat belts laws into effect and better MPG laws without all the loopholes for ginormous cars? That'd lessen our dependency on foriegn oil a lot if handled correctly which I don't think Bush can do based on his record. *Action shot of No Child Left Behind being burned at the stake*
the typical Democrat's mindset like this it is precisely why there is no doubt I won't be voting for John Kerry. It is why I'm actively supporting elements campaigning against him.

Since when does social and economic issues become more important than peoples lives? The worst case scenario that I can think of would be finding out that Al Qaeda detonated a nuclear bomb in downtown Manhattan, do you really want to take that chance? The threat is real and the possibility of it happening is there and you know if Al Qaeda could they would do it in a second.

Who cares about the seatbelt laws, if people are smart and want to protect themselves they will use them. You can't expect Government to pass a law and everyone is going to abide by it. NY's Seatbelt Law and Ban on Using Cellphones While Driving Law are total jokes and they are only state tax revenue raising schemes. How about NY's Smoking Ban? Just more Government intervention to force people to conform to someone else's standards. Democrats like to talk about the Republicans stealing peoples individual freedoms but if you are honest you would see that Democrats or no better, they limit people of their choices all the time.

I don't like anyone limiting my choices on what vehicle I can buy or not. If I can afford one of those huge gas guzzling trucks and am willing to pay the disgustingly expensive costs of filling that vehicle than why shouldn't it be my choice and not yours. Those tax credits your speaking of is only available to businesses. They give them incentive to invest money into their business and which generates more business for the automotive industry = more jobs.

What is so bad about No Child Left Behind? Why is it wrong to have standards and to hold schools accountable for their teaching effectiveness? Status qou is not cutting it, change is needed and should not be feared if anything it should be embraced.
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:18 PM #24
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There are MUCH bigger threats than terrorism. Car and guns come to mind.
My mouth just opened wide up with that.

Comparing cars and guns to massive terrorist attacks. Well, I'll put it this way. 1000 negros killing 1000 other negros is not going to make stocks drop thousands of points, along with billions and billions and BILLIONS in physical damage.

You can't think of terrorism on the basis of "WOW, a couple thousand people died, that sucks. But, we must think about guns and cars! They kill more per year." Terrorist attacks hit us on a national moral and economic level.

EDIT: Drake, I hate you. I didn't read ONE post in this thread [yours] and that post was similar to mine!
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:31 PM #25
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So the deaths of 5 times as many people as died in 9-11 per YEAR, doesn't carry any economic impact at all?
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Old 08-16-2004, 01:37 PM #26
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So the deaths of 5 times as many people as died in 9-11 per YEAR, doesn't carry any economic impact at all?
It's a steady fall that CAN be combatted.

Let's put it this way. You have 10000 shares of XYZ on 9/10/01. On 9/17/01 (or whatever day it reopened) you and millions others are broke.

OR

On 2/10/03 you have 10000 shares of XYY (of course, because XYZ is bankrupt already). By 2/17/03 XYY goes down 10% because a couple workers were shot and productivity was down.

Many deaths by guns are accidents and by policemen. Many deaths in cars are by accidents. Terrorism is flat out murder destined to more importantly hurt the country economically and morally.

I'm not here to denounce any claim that guns and car accidents don't kill many people. I'm clarifying what I believe is an almost obvious assertion.
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I don't like anyone limiting my choices on what vehicle I can buy or not. If I can afford one of those huge gas guzzling trucks and am willing to pay the disgustingly expensive costs of filling that vehicle than why shouldn't it be my choice and not yours.
Typical. Think of yourself and not the implications those actions may have on others. Environmental damage and greater need for foreign oil are just two.
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kjjm4: thanks for the correction.
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Old 08-16-2004, 06:50 PM #29
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It's a steady fall that CAN be combatted.
It's hardly a steady fall. Since the 1970's deathtraps, we've only had a 6% decrease in car deaths, not factoring in the huge population growth which may or may not counteract this 6%.
http://www.facts-1.com/crashfacts.htm

Yes, it can be combatted, by seatbelt laws mostly. But there are a stubborn and selfish few who think that a law that prevents literally tearing apart families will restrict their freedom too much to do any good. I'm sure these are the same people that endorse the Patriot Act.
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I don't like anyone limiting my choices on what vehicle I can buy or not. If I can afford one of those huge gas guzzling trucks and am willing to pay the disgustingly expensive costs of filling that vehicle than why shouldn't it be my choice and not yours.
Why should my having to pay higher gas prices because you asshats are getting 3 mpg in your idiot mobiles be YOUR choice? Why should I have to worry about your bumper being the height of my window in an accident because YOU made the choice to drive a car you don't need? Why the **** should I have to put up with 10-15 smog days a year where the air quality is so ****ty the government advises people not to go outside because you're stupid?
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Old 08-16-2004, 07:36 PM #31
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Why should my having to pay higher gas prices because you asshats are getting 3 mpg in your idiot mobiles be YOUR choice?
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Why should I have to worry about your bumper being the height of my window in an accident because YOU made the choice to drive a car you don't need? Why the **** should I have to put up with 10-15 smog days a year where the air quality is so ****ty the government advises people not to go outside because you're stupid?
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there is only so much u can do to with gun control. Most gun owners use firearms responsibly, unfortuately some people use these for other purposes other than for the sake of sport to commit criminal acts. Is it fair to punish the responsible gun owners when it wasn't their fault? To buy a gun you already have to be screened to make sure they dont have any past criminal offences or on other related topics. Hypothetically if there was a ban on firearms to civillians, criminals would still find them. Most of you can probably relate to this thorugh paintball.

So as u can see Terroism seems to be a much bigger problem than Guns.
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Yes, it can be combatted, by seatbelt laws mostly. But there are a stubborn and selfish few who think that a law that prevents literally tearing apart families will restrict their freedom too much to do any good. I'm sure these are the same people that endorse the Patriot Act.
I disagree with both. Nobody has the right to make a law forcing me to protect myself. If i am hurting nobody it is nobody's business. I hate the patriot act as well because it takes away many of my civil liberties.

Now then back on topic. yes terrorist attacks are not good, but much worse things kill many more. Pollution from 8 utilities alone kill 6,000 people a year. source that is compared to the the 3,000 one a single ocassion. since that attack pollution has killed 18,000. do you see the government spending 40 billion on the epa? no. they get 7.6 billion and the government not allowing them to impose pollution restricting laws. that is just one example. other things kill many more people.
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Can you say, Cheney?
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what was the other besides 9/11?
The first WTC bombing.

The Oklahoma City bombing was an act of domestic terrorism. McVeigh blew up the building in retaliation for the botched Waco raid.
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Can you say, Cheney?
yes. and bush. interesting how america kills at least 14,000 in its war on terror, when the terrorists killed 3,000.
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Really? Terrorists have only killed 3,000 people to date?
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Why should my having to pay higher gas prices because you asshats are getting 3 mpg in your idiot mobiles be YOUR choice? Why should I have to worry about your bumper being the height of my window in an accident because YOU made the choice to drive a car you don't need? Why the **** should I have to put up with 10-15 smog days a year where the air quality is so ****ty the government advises people not to go outside because you're stupid?

please dispense with the name calling and swearing I don't play that game.
How is that you can tell someone what they need or don't need (sounds like the Republicans and FMA)? If YOU are worried about gas prices than choose to buy a hybrid. If the air quality sucks where you are then get out of the city and choose to live somewhere else where the air is cleaner. If you are afraid of the monstrously oversized vehicles on the road then do what I do pay particular attention to them, avoid them if possible and drive safely..
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I do tend to agree that altho at first glace large un-needed cars seem like a private luxery, they do affect everyone else.
So what we really need then, is ALOT more government control.
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please dispense with the name calling and swearing I don't play that game.
How is that you can tell someone what they need or don't need (sounds like the Republicans and FMA)? If YOU are worried about gas prices than choose to buy a hybrid. If the air quality sucks where you are then get out of the city and choose to live somewhere else where the air is cleaner. If you are afraid of the monstrously oversized vehicles on the road then do what I do pay particular attention to them, avoid them if possible and drive safely..
That's ignorant, why should the world accomodate you because you've made the decision to act stupid and think solely of yourself? Why should everyone move away from you because you can't see past your nose? If someone moved next door to you and dug an open sewage pit in their backyard would you say "well damn, guess I better move away from this guy"? If he threw broken glass all over your lawn and then said "You should pay extra attention where you're walking man" would you say "Oh darn, you're so right"? Your opinion is so self centered and ignorant it's hard to even believe someone feels that way.
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