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Old 08-29-2004, 09:46 PM #1
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i just got my tribal and i took it out for the first time i gas it up and dry fire everything seems to be working but when i put paint in it paint deosnt leave the barrel i have the bolt in right so its not that but thats basicly what its doing someone sugested an inline reg
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Old 08-29-2004, 10:17 PM #2
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yea, like I said in the pm at ao, try turning up the pressure on the reg. The adjustment screw might have got rattled loose or something.
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Old 08-29-2004, 10:24 PM #3
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Could be a few things.......

~ LPR (aoc) psi too low.
~ Sluggish ram
~ Dirty noid
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Yeah it could be several things.

Unfortunately, you really need a set of gauges to troubleshoot the problem correctly.

You need to know your LP and HP to see if your in the ball park first, then start eliminating one item at a time.

Your problem can be coming from:
HPR
LPR (AOC)
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Battery
and a few other sneaky things.
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Old 08-30-2004, 08:25 PM #5
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battery? what would that do im not completly retarded i messed with the screw and it didnt help
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Old 08-30-2004, 08:38 PM #6
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I'm a little confused? Can he fire but not recock or can he not even fire?

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Old 08-30-2004, 08:53 PM #7
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You will be suprised about the battery. It is not uncommon to have a battery that will fire the marker but still have FSDO.

I am not saying that is the problem, but it is worth a shot.

The battery has caused this problem in the past as stated on a post several months ago. If forget how posted it, but the battery solved his problem.
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Old 08-30-2004, 08:55 PM #8
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Oh if your adjusting the HPR you should do it over a chrono, and I highly recommend a HPR gauge too!!!
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Old 08-30-2004, 08:55 PM #9
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i can fire and recock the bolt moves back and forth as fast as i set it too thats not the problem the gun isnt shooting paint out of barrel
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Did you try increasing your Dwell setting?

Do you know what your pressures are set to?
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Old 08-30-2004, 09:09 PM #11
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no i know nothing i took it out of the box it was shipped in and tried to play with it
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Old 08-30-2004, 09:22 PM #12
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Download the PDF Manual from Airsoldier.com

You have several thing that can cause your problem.

How good is your paint to barrel match? Can you blow the ball out of the barrel with the pressure from your mouth only?

Do you have a pic?
Email it to me and I will post it for you.
It would be nice to see if you have some upgrades to help troubleshoot the problem.


Look at the Free Tool Kit sticky thread. HaveBlue posted a picture of what is included in the kit, and this is what you will finally need to get your Tribal tuned properly.

With a FSDO or no ball period problem, every single component of the marker can cause it, EVEN THE BATTERY.

It is very difficult to tell you one specific thing that will solve your problem. FSDO is very elusive some times.
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Old 08-30-2004, 09:39 PM #13
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ok i will try a new battery but why would that affect that at all?
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Old 08-30-2004, 09:50 PM #14
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I am not staying it is definately your problem.

Here is why it can help.
Battery voltage is 9V and it is regulated with a 7805 Integrated Circuit Voltage regulator that needs 2.5V greater than the rated output voltage, which is 5V. If the battery falls lower that 7.5V (under load) then it cannot regulate the output to 5V. If the circuits can't get 5V then the Solenoid won't get the complete voltage (and power) that it requires to open properly, therefore there is a lag in the noid opening, which in turn makes the ram lag, which will cause the valve not to open for the approprate time (dwell time), therefore not letting enough HP reach the ball for the correct period of time.

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Interesting, Edwin, but even with taht odd situation, you get a full recock?


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Old 09-01-2004, 09:33 AM #16
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I never had the problem myself, but a battery has caused FSDO as stated here on the Tribal Forum. I think Jakesak had that problem, but I am probably mistaken.

The battery is just the easiest thing to check. You pull it out, change it with a new one, put it back in and test your marker. Then you go on to other things!!!


Enough said??? I sure hope so, as I have defending a stupid battery suggestion with all this typing!!!
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Old 09-01-2004, 11:42 AM #17
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plus it the cheapest solution to try at first........... before you go tear the gun down looking for the prob
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:26 PM #18
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bolt

the bolt deosnt come all the way forward if i push the cocking rod right when i shoot it the ball willl go like 100 ft and now it will shoot like that the firstt shot then back to what i said was happening as for changing the batery it did nothing and ive already had it apart but it was doing this before then so its not something i forgot to put back in
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:28 PM #19
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forgot to say the gun is completly stock as far as i know
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