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Old 08-19-2004, 10:09 PM #85
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I'm asking you to please explain what you want the United States to do about other nations not developing as well as we are? I'm curious. Did you want us to just SEND our professors elsewhere? Fund foreign education? Build universities elsewhere? What!?
Right after we get all of our poor people rich off the hard work of others, we can start shipping the wealth... oh wait, we already send money away.

Kind of hard to figure out what side I'm on sometimes, huh?
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:17 PM #86
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Kind of hard to figure out what side I'm on sometimes, huh?
I don't label members based on direct political affiliations. I do it on an issue by issue basis.

You ****ing liberal dickhead.
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:50 PM #89
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Haha... I replied that, then deleted it. I figured, "you know what, I'll let Slinger have that one".
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hey stellar knight the u.s.s.r. was about as corrupt on all levels as they come. with the exception if lenin all teh leadres have been using teh state as their own personal tool to get what they want done. so dont go using a corrupt nation as a example for anything except corruption. and read up on your history gorbachev's last years in office enacted the reforms that put russia down teh tubes teh way it is today but socialism doesnt work in corruption any how. as with all things including democracy.

as for your comment on me gogin to cuba to learn english well my grammar is actually quite good my typing skills are ****.

the comment was captailism doesnt work becoause it doesnt fulfill teh essential role of goverment of providing for teh good for all people. for evry rich and upper middle class family there are a exponential amount of poor people and families.

well anyhwo cya,
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after you graduate high school, take a few classes in poli sci. then you will see that 1. socialism doesnt work, 2.industrialized democracy and capitalism do work, even w/corruption, and 3. capitalism isnt a government type.

its no use arguing this, you'll just have to figure it out for yourself
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I'm no so sure anyone even is argueing for communism. Socialism CAN work. New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, all have very socialist type governments.
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Communist...

I get that one all the time...
Communism and Socialism go hand in hand.. they have every right to..

BTW.. I've read both the Communist Manifesto as well as Capitalism and Freedom..

Capitalism > Communism.. Post if you'd like to prove me otherwise, but it's not going to happen..
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I'm no so sure anyone even is argueing for communism. Socialism CAN work. New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, all have very socialist type governments.
Yes.. And they are thriving nations?

the UK and Canada's medical practice is a JOKE.. Private practice is MUCH more efficient, and creates competition..

The UK's cancer treatment is ranked as "3rd World Country" status..

Learn about socialism before you talk about it WORKING.. I mean.. sure it can function, but as an alternative over a free market, private enterprise.. Socialism sucks, and isn't even CLOSE..

Read up on economics.. Your views are warped and HURT rather than help.. I mean.. Seriously.. READ a book by an ECONOMIST, not by Michael Moore.. You might actually learn something..

Start with Capitalism and Freedom.. Hell, even read the Manifesto (you know what one)..
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Yes.. And they are thriving nations?

the UK and Canada's medical practice is a JOKE.. Private practice is MUCH more efficient, and creates competition..

The UK's cancer treatment is ranked as "3rd World Country" status..

Learn about socialism before you talk about it WORKING.. I mean.. sure it can function, but as an alternative over a free market, private enterprise.. Socialism sucks, and isn't even CLOSE..

Read up on economics.. Your views are warped and HURT rather than help.. I mean.. Seriously.. READ a book by an ECONOMIST, not by Michael Moore.. You might actually learn something..

Start with Capitalism and Freedom.. Hell, even read the Manifesto (you know what one)..
Did I mention UK OR Canada in either model? Hmm?

I read about 3/4 of that last year and I finished last week. I've said that 3 times now.

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No.. but I'd like to think of Canada and the UK as pretty major countries..

but just so you know.. the countries you mentioned are in the same boat..
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Capitalism > Communism.. Post if you'd like to prove me otherwise, but it's not going to happen..
Ok here you go. I believe in capitalism, but you opened yourself up for it. It is not as obvious as it appears.

1. You have to decide what you are guaging ">" on. Here are the two methods of thinking:

Capitalism will provide the people with a better standard of living. No question. It is the most effecient method of allocating resources.

However, Capitalism is also one of the worst recorded governments socially. Capitalism has more cases of suicide, murder, and voilent crimes than almost any other government, possibly even being THE worst. Petty crime is also significantly higher in the U.S. than in many other countries. The United States also has the largest ratio of anti-depressent prescriptions to people than any other country in the world by FAR. Using these figures one might deduce that citizens in the United States are not as happy as in many other countries. And if it isn't unhappiness that is the problem, it is certainly something else. If this is true, is Capitalism truly worth it?
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the UK and Canada's medical practice is a JOKE.. Private practice is MUCH more efficient, and creates competition..


Life Expectancy:
11. Canada 79.83 years
36. United Kingdom 78.16 years
48. United States 77.14 years

Babies Born Underwight:
5. United States 7.8%
6. United Kingdom 7.6%
21. Canada 5.6%

Cancer Deaths:
10. United Kingdom 151.7per 100,000 people
15. United States 143.4per 100,000 people
16. Canada 142.1per 100,000 people

Child Maltreatment Deaths:
1. United States 2.2per 100,000 children
9. Canada 0.7per 100,000 children
22. United Kingdom 0.4per 100,000 children

Infant Mortality Rate:
Canada 4.95
United Kingdom 5.45
United States 6.69

There is a sample of some of the more significant medical practice statistics of the 3 countries. Other than Cancer Deaths, we are the worst of all 5 categories. Look at how horrendous our maltreatment ratio is compared to the U.K and Canada. Why excactly do you claim their medical practice is a joke? Please motivate your claims like I did, it certainly doesn't seem like you have any evidence to back this up.



Learn about socialism before you talk about it WORKING.. I mean.. sure it can function, but as an alternative over a free market, private enterprise.. Socialism sucks, and isn't even CLOSE..

Read my previous post. Also, Canada and France are both partially socialist and they aren't doing too poorly.

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Is the maltreatment rate by the families or is that another term for malpractice in your stats?

Speaking of stats, can I use yours to argue elsewhere that America's health is suffering due to lower alcohol content in our beer?
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Your "stats" say nothing about the quality of health care, the up-to-date instruments used, the long waits needed for certain procedures, as well as a wealth of other things..

You provide life expectancy... WOW.. Good one.. Maybe it's because Americans eat like **** and don't take care of themselves. The number one killer among Americans OF ALL RACES AND SEXES is cardiovascular disease..

In Canada there is an extreme shortage of doctors, nurses, and hosptial beds... Many Canadians in need of health care come to the US.. And MRI in Canada carries a waiting list of 8 months.. Many patients go to veterinary hospitals because many are better equiped than hospitals..

According to the World Health Organization, 25,000 people will die unnecessarily of cancer each year in Great Britain..

...I thought I opened the door...
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However, Capitalism is also one of the worst recorded governments socially. Capitalism has more cases of suicide, murder, and voilent crimes than almost any other government, possibly even being THE worst. Petty crime is also significantly higher in the U.S. than in many other countries. The United States also has the largest ratio of anti-depressent prescriptions to people than any other country in the world by FAR. Using these figures one might deduce that citizens in the United States are not as happy as in many other countries. And if it isn't unhappiness that is the problem, it is certainly something else. If this is true, is Capitalism truly worth it?
And yet, in a purely capitalistic society there is more freedom than in any other economic policies model..

Which would you choose?

BTW Not that I necessarily agree with your deduction..
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The United States also has the largest ratio of anti-depressent prescriptions to people than any other country in the world by FAR. Using these figures one might deduce that citizens in the United States are not as happy as in many other countries. And if it isn't unhappiness that is the problem, it is certainly something else. If this is true, is Capitalism truly worth it?
im back from a week vacation so i dunno whats up but i have a small problem with this. I mean small.

Dont you think that one of the biggest reasons for the anti depressant stat is that Americans have greater access to these drugs? Put together the amounts of psychologists in the country with the easy access to pharmacies and i think thats the biggest reason right there.

EDIT: Afterthought: I'll bet the United States has the largest ratio of almost every drug to people than any other country in the world. But I could be wrong cuz i dont know where to find the statistics.
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