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Old 08-07-2004, 04:24 PM #22
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what war did bush "fight" in
Thats a terrible argument for why Kerry is better than Bush. Just because someone fought in a war does NOT mean they would be a good president.
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I tell you what when people start crediting a god to their performance that is when it gets scary. When people start killing other people because they feel it is in gods will or kill people because "god told them to do it" I start to wonder. Granted they are not the model theist but I see no wrong in that statement.
If there's ANYTHING that pisses me off, it's when people credit god with a coincedence or good job they did. Like, all those people saying God told them to stay home from the WTC on 9-11, do they think God just LIKES them more than the thousands that he apparently killed?

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Old 08-07-2004, 09:09 PM #24
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lol, that flash is a load of ****, nice job finding conservative biased sites, that have bull**** material
i bet hes a liberal piece of ****
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Old 08-07-2004, 09:11 PM #25
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Thats a terrible argument for why Kerry is better than Bush. Just because someone fought in a war does NOT mean they would be a good president.
Leading a platoon in the most violent and unfair war ever faught is much more respectable then draft dodging. It also shows that he is capable of being a leader, and reacting well under pressure.
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Leading a platoon in the most violent and unfair war ever faught is much more respectable then draft dodging. It also shows that he is capable of being a leader, and reacting well under pressure.
have u not been reading? kerry didnt lead a platoon
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Old 08-07-2004, 09:43 PM #27
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have u not been reading? kerry didnt lead a platoon
I dont need to read this insane bull**** to get my facts. He is a much better leader then Bush for his history in Vietnam, there is no arguement about it.
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hey buddy this isnt made up. kerry told everybody that he was going to throw his medals over the fence but he nvr did, he claimed that he hated vietnam, but now hes using his history as a base for his campaign, f*** kerry
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hey buddy this isnt made up. kerry told everybody that he was going to throw his medals over the fence but he nvr did, he claimed that he hated vietnam, but now hes using his history as a base for his campaign, f*** kerry
Vietnam was a horrible thing. I would question anyone's morals who didn't think so. However, volunterring to fight for your country is honorable.
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he didnt volunterr, its called a draft
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I don't military record is nearly as important as a voting record.
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he didnt volunterr, its called a draft
Wrong wrong wrong wrong. He delayed going to college to go to war. He made his own choice to do that, no draft involved.
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actually every1 who was 18-35 had to go
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actually every1 who was 18-35 had to go
You're a damn fool. If you were in college or accepted into one, you were not drafted.
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then why was it that me father who was in college was forced to quit and go fight in nam?
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Leading a platoon in the most violent and unfair war ever faught is much more respectable then draft dodging. It also shows that he is capable of being a leader, and reacting well under pressure.

"I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."
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"John Kerry lied to get his bronze star ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."
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"And he lacks the capacity to lead."
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"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."
-Larry Thurlow

"John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."
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All men who served with Kerry in nam. That sir, is not bull****.
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I dont need to read this insane bull**** to get my facts. He is a much better leader then Bush for his history in Vietnam, there is no arguement about it.
Well, there are tons and tons of veteran groups that make it their job to get to the bottom of Kerry's medals and ribbons (along with John McCain's) and after reading several articles on both of their "service", Im not entirely convinced of their heroism. Or at least not to the degree that they each promote.

But let us assume that Kerry did truly earn all of his medals (even though Im not convinced that is the case), military success does not necessarily make a great leader. President Ulysses S. Grant, the man who won the civil war, was one of our worst presidents ever. President Eisenhower was an incredible general and led the biggest military landing in history. He turned out to be a mediocre president. Now I am not comparing Kerry to Hitler, but Hitler was enormously heroic in World War I for the Germans. He did things for his country that I dont think I could ever do, but we all saw how that turned out.

So my point being, military service doesn't necessarily make you a great leader.
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:17 PM #38
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"I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."
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"John Kerry lied to get his bronze star ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."
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"And he lacks the capacity to lead."
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"John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."
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All men who served with Kerry in nam. That sir, is not bull****.
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good point vladamir, very nice, i commend u
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:19 PM #40
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"I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."
-Louis Letson

"John Kerry lied to get his bronze star ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."
-Van O'Dell

"And he lacks the capacity to lead."
-Adrian Lonsdale

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry."
-Larry Thurlow

"John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam."
-Shelton White

All men who served with Kerry in nam. That sir, is not bull****.
Hmm...quotes of people who may hate his guts because protested a war?

Facts...

Yup, I still believe facts, and so do millons of other americans, because plenty of people will surface before the election who will bash the president and Kerry.
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But let us assume that Kerry did truly earn all of his medals (even though Im not convinced that is the case), military success does not necessarily make a great leader.
Exactly what I mean.
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:21 PM #42
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Well, there are tons and tons of veteran groups that make it their job to get to the bottom of Kerry's medals and ribbons (along with John McCain's) and after reading several articles on both of their "service", Im not entirely convinced of their heroism. Or at least not to the degree that they each promote.

But let us assume that Kerry did truly earn all of his medals (even though Im not convinced that is the case), military success does not necessarily make a great leader. President Ulysses S. Grant, the man who won the civil war, was one of our worst presidents ever. President Eisenhower was an incredible general and led the biggest military landing in history. He turned out to be a mediocre president. Now I am not comparing Kerry to Hitler, but Hitler was enormously heroic in World War I for the Germans. He did things for his country that I dont think I could ever do, but we all saw how that turned out.

So my point being, military service doesn't necessarily make you a great leader.
I see it like this. Kerry believed in something, and he fought for it. He made an effort to do something he thought was right, that risked his life in the process. The fact that bush never served, and avoided serving tells me that he isnt meant to be a leader, especially of a country. And many of his decisions have proven this.
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