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Old 08-08-2004, 10:31 PM #43
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i agree, I think a man with 1/3 of a mustache really would lead us to victory in getting rid of the Bean and Cheese problem, and the bagel problem.... First our leader would put them on the trains to go to the fiesta (THE GAS CHAMBER) and then get rid of all of them and just have no more stanky mexicans
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slinger and rdiddy got the point i was makin no more mexicans= fun in the sun
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Old 08-08-2004, 11:01 PM #46
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slinger and rdiddy got the point i was makin no more mexicans= fun in the sun
Makes Cancun a more sparesly populated area with no more wild dogs!
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Wow.........

Well disregarding the last few posts about our neighbors south of the border. I would say as an economic system capitalism is very effective. Its based on the real world and the desires of people. Communism was conceived by someone who didnt understand human nature, it was more of an ideal to strive to. However, that will always be out of reach due to the imperfections inherant in humans. Noone will ever do anything "to help society" or "your fellow man", they will work for personal gain. Its a tough questions really. Pure capitalism works until the point where the monopolies start banding togeether to starve the consumer. So capitalism with checks and balances against monopoly and things such as insider trading - as we have now - I would say is ideal under human nature.

As for a political system, democracy rarely works. Its a great idea, but in its current incarnation is essentiall bull****. The people dont know what they want, because those in power have learned to convince the people that their agenda is that of the people.
Anarchy and the like is unrealistic. I forgot the post, but whoeverer said that eventually people would band together for protection is exactly right. That is how government and nations began. The problem is two-fold: Our society's teachings and the power of an individual to cause harm.
Disregarding "WMD's" and the ability of nations to destroy what we have built, I'll say that under societies that some consider ideal; as those in pre-columbian America there were many atocities - human sacrafice, territorial wars,etc. - but it was at an acceptable scale(well if one can accept such a thing). Now if we were in little tribal groups, a territorial war would be waged with assault weapons and grenades, rather than bows and spears. This is something that cannot change but it makes it pretty unrealistic to revert to our old ways. Things like the United nations and nations in general are here to protect and to keep everyone balanced. And in general it works.
The second is something that can change, but would anyone really want it to? Over the years you can convince people what is right and what is wrong. As is famously quoted(roughly) "We will make you belive 2+2=5". You cant do it right away, but with constant battering you can make the people believe anything: dictatorship is okay, freedom of speech is evil, anyone who isnt with us is against us. These kinds of things may be necessary for an ideal society, but would such a place be somewhere you would like to live? I sure as hell know I wouldent.

In closing, I'd say im for regulated capitalism(or socialism with incentives) and as for a political system I am undecided.

I realize im at the point of rambling a bit, as its 2:12am here. But as a whole I think I made somewhat of a point.
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shut the hell up nobody wants to hear your jibba jabba about politcis this is about gettin rid of the mexicans!
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well said rdiddyj
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I leave for a couple days and when I come back look what happened, This thread goes down the hole from talking about possible political systems To getting rid of Mexicans by electing a "Hitler" Type Dictator......

.....sigh........ohh well
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I leave for a couple days and when I come back look what happened, This thread goes down the hole from talking about possible political systems To getting rid of Mexicans by electing a "Hitler" Type Dictator......

.....sigh........ohh well
What can you do?




Other than invade mexico of course.
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As for a political system, democracy rarely works.
And it's no easier with a melting pot. You can't please everyone and it only makes things worse.
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True, but eugenics dont work either - well without slaughter or exhile of all the "inferiors".
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And it's no easier with a melting pot. You can't please everyone and it only makes things worse.
But that's what democracy is all about, pleasing the majority, not everyone. Checks, balances, bill of rights, constitution etc. make sure that majority aren't voting to infringe on rights. It's one of the few, if not the only, self policing system.
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the perfect government in my opinion would be where there would be small countries of 100,000 to 1 million where there would be a direct democarcy (everyone votes on everything).
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the perfect government in my opinion would be where there would be small countries of 100,000 to 1 million where there would be a direct democarcy (everyone votes on everything).
Except nobody (including fulltime politicians) can possibly know enough about every issue brought up to make an informed decision about it.
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Its a proven fact Communism does not work. Good idea, but it does not work. The human being needs incentive in order to do the daily tasks needed for life, Such as going to work. And ultimate freedom from what you just said is anarchy. Anarchy, is just ridiculous.
Not true. Not true at all. It didn't work for the USSR, but they had little variations that did not fit well with the system.
Examples of countries that had a "success" wit communism were:

Cuba-
In the early days, the only people that were really threatened by the system and fleed the country were wealthy capitalists, pepole with something to loose.
Had we not put up that embargo against them, they could have had a flourishing economy (Cuban cigars anyone? )
But seriously, they would have been a heck of a lot better off with out that embargo.
They currently have the highest percent of literate people in latin america. They also have a health care system that far exceeds our own.

Chilie-
They were very well off with comunism the 3 short years they had it running in their country. It was only after we assassinated their leader and replaced him with a dictator did things completely fall apart in that country.

Yougoslovia-
Though they had a limited form of communism, and it only lasted a short while before we did something about it, yougoslavia had a pretty good thing going for themselves.

The USSR COULD have been a success, but Stalin was a real cruel leader. In that case, it was the leader, not the political system that resulted in the downfall of that country. I know stalin was not the leader for the entire run, but the leaders after him tried to mirror what he was, whit the exception of gorbechecve. (Spelling, anyone?)
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But that's what democracy is all about, pleasing the majority, not everyone. Checks, balances, bill of rights, constitution etc. make sure that majority aren't voting to infringe on rights. It's one of the few, if not the only, self policing system.
Democracy!

Tyranny of the majority
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:38 AM #59
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There is no perfect system. Everything has problems, flaws and holes.
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I dunno man, these guys seem to have their **** together.
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Libertarian National Socialist Green Party....

Wow...
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That party might be a joke, but who knows these days.
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I looked at that site for 5 minutes and came to two conclusions.

1. They want to kill me.

2. I'm now on AT LEAST three Homeland Security watch lists.
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