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Old 07-17-2004, 08:15 AM #1
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Chop Shop DQ'ed

Why did Chop Shop Get Disqualified?
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Old 07-17-2004, 08:48 AM #2
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yea man i just saw that...i wonder why?
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:30 AM #3
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665 - Almost Evil got DQ'ed as well...
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:34 AM #4
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I wouldnt be surprised if it had something to do w/ ramping or something similar
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:37 AM #5
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yea man the judges are going ****ing crazy lately... they can make every gun bounce i bet it is something with the damn cheating rules
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:40 AM #6
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maybe they both had a fight??????
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:43 AM #7
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Its amazing how i know more about whats going on when im looking at my computer than when i go down to the field...
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:44 AM #8
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lmao
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:46 AM #9
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ok here ya go guys this is a quote from NPPLs website


"2 teams have been disqualified due to bouncing guns proving that players have got to stay legal.
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:49 AM #10
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haha damn it man i hate ****ing refs sometimes...paintballer nice guess ...y couldnt they just adjust there triggers?
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:52 AM #11
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They probably got caught after or during a game with bounce thats my best guess. But when i was there yesterday i saw some sketchy guns but who knows.
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Old 07-17-2004, 09:54 AM #12
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damn taht sucks in a magazine i was reading the chrono judge made dynasty and arsenal adjust thier triggers for a half an hour and then both teams had to agree to play each other with the "illegal" guns... this bounceing buisness has got to stop...
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lol what magazine was this in? The bouncing really does need to stop...Pull the trigger as fast as YOU can not as fast as the you can with the guns help.
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If you guys are really going to cry about a few extra balls, play your local tournaments and stay away from NPPL.

DQ'ing teams because of this is absurd in my mind.
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If you guys are really going to cry about a few extra balls, play your local tournaments and stay away from NPPL.

DQ'ing teams because of this is absurd in my mind.
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665 is a local team around here, and a few of their guys post on this forum, hopefully they can shed light onto this situation.
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The thing is there is no way for your average player to test thier gun before going to the tournement. I know that most of the time my gun doesn't bounce but if I'm shooting the last couple balls in my halo then one or two extra might go. Its no big deal in my opinion because I have yet to see how bouncy guns hurt people. Ya you'll get shot more but it happens with legal gun's too. Overshooting is not the gun's fault.
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If you guys are really going to cry about a few extra balls, play your local tournaments and stay away from NPPL.

DQ'ing teams because of this is absurd in my mind.
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The problem is that the NPPL robot, not to mention the NPPL, makes no discrimination between bouncing intentionally and on accident. How many people do you know that actually walk into an NPPL event with their guns set up to bounce on purpose? My guess would be zero, as I know no one who does. The NPPL uses this robot thing, and its absolutely absurd. If I dont have a robot, and I walk my trigger at 15bps and it shoots 16bps, how would I know? And they still assume that if you are caught then your doing it on purpose. Are they retarded? The penalties are too much. Anyone with an IQ above 18 knows that its not worth risking it. What they should do is require a percentage. For example, say 20%. So if they pull your trigger 10 times, and it shoots 11 times, you pass. But if they pull it 10 times, and it shoots 12 times, you get DQ'd. Because if you cant deal with an extra one or two balls due to bounce, you better stay in the woods. And the NPPL says that they do this because of safety, namely in the staging area. They say that if a gun discharges, and it ramps up to 15 bps, someone can lose an eye. Thats all fine and dandy, but who walks into a staging area, keeps their gun on, and walks the trigger at someones face? No one. If they are afraid of it accidentally shooting, just pull the trigger once. Not 30 times so that you basically make your gun bounce.
And dont even get me started and the stupid refs pulling the trigger slow crap. If someone gets DQ'd from that, well, the NPPL just shouldnt be a league then.
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I don't agree.

It is quite technically feasible to have a one pull, one shot gun, that a player will *KNOW* is a one shot, one pull gun. We had them for 15 years while all markers were mechanical, and we had them for the first few years when markers went electronic as well. Then people started making boards that counted switch bounce as shots, and now we've got boards with 'debounce settings' where it's "one shot, one pull (wink, wink)"

If you have a gun that has a debounce setting, and you have your trigger pull set up short and light, then you're asking for it if your gun bounces. Did you KNOW for sure that your gun was bouncing? Maybe not - but you did go buy the gun that would shoot 20 bps out of the box when you could only shoot 10 bps before.... where do you think those extra shots came from? Guys who are picking up these guns and shooting really fast easily who are "surprised" when they find out the gun is bouncing are kidding themselves.

If you want to MAKE SURE you gun won't bounce, make your pull longer, your trigger spring stiffer, and stop buying boards with debounce settings. If you want to set your trigger up short and light and low debounce because you can shoot faster, you're playing with fire, and it's your own damned fault if you get burnt.

Or go buy an electronic marker from 2000. Bet those won't bounce either.

The question is, will people making the boards start making boards that easily match the rules, or will the leagues back off from enforcing the rules so rigorously first?

I hope people start fixing the boards, and hopefully the continued pressure from the insurance folks will help with that. We have got to put a stop to the trigger arms race before we kill the sport entirely.

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