Here are some simple steps you should take when trading on Pbnation.
Please be very cautious dealing with anyone on the site. If they have lots of positive feedback spread out over a long time, that should ease some of your fears. If they are an Annual Supporting Member (ASM) then that should also make you feel a little better about the deal. However, if you are nervous in any way about a deal, the other party is trying to rush you or it sounds too good to be true, just don't do it. It is probably not worth being scammed.
We recommend you use one of our mods as an independent third party. They can make sure neither side gets scammed.
If you are not going to go through a mod, we recommend both parties use B/S/T Trust. For only $1.35 you can have the peace of mind that the first and last name, address, and email address of the other party have all been recorded through paypal. You'll also be able to see if the other person is verified and if their address is confirmed. If they are not willing to spend $1.35 to make sure the trade goes well, why would you want to deal with them?
If the person you are dealing with does not answer all of your questions in a reasonable amount of time and in a polite manner, move on and don’t deal with them. If they are treating you poorly now, imagine what it will be like to deal with them if something goes wrong.
Buying stolen merchandise is a crime. At the very minimum you will have to forfeit what you purchased and the chance of receiving a refund is slim. If the person selling is acting shady, do not deal with them. You can lose out. Selling stolen merchandise is a much more serious crime (even if you did not steal the item).
The first rule for B/S/T is:
1• Buy/Sell/Trade here on PbNation at your own risk. We assume no responsibility for any part of any transaction. Never send money or product before a deal is agreed to by both sides and full contact information is exchanged and verified. Do not rely on PM's. If the other party is unwilling to share contact information, then don't deal with them.
That rule is there to protect you. Ignore it at your own risk.
Always get the other person's full name, address and at least one confirmed, working phone number before agreeing to send anything. Also record all the screen names you've talked to them on (examples - PBN, PBF, AOL, MSN, ICQ, ec.).
After you get Name, Address and Phone #, use B/S/T Trust to verify they are who they say they are.
If the person is under the age of 18, talk to their parents and make sure they understand what is going on and what is expected out of their child. Get a cell phone number, work number or email address where you can reach them outside of the home and make sure you can get through to them.
When possible, get a driver’s license number and a picture of their license. This is an invaluable tool if the police have to get involved. It also helps you verify they are over 18.
Pay for tracking, insurance and signature confirmation when you ship. Make sure the insurance would be enough to replace the item being sent if it is damaged or lost. Never, ever ship something without at least delivery confirmation. You run the risk of them claiming they never got it.
Pack everything securely to prevent damage, and make sure you tape the openings to prevent tampering.
If someone has what you think is questionable feedback, check out a few random people on the list and see if they have low post counts, very few feedback or a recent join date to when the feedback was left. These are all warning signs that the feedback may not be legitimate.
Check other forums and even google to see if the person is a known scammer.
Whenever possible, pay with PayPal, money order, or check. This will allow you to see who cashed the money.
Just because you have received a payment through paypal doesn’t mean they can’t claim the funds back. Make sure to save proof you sent the package and they signed for it for at least three months.
Since a user is capable of editing the thread after they have sold the item, quote the original for sale post with the item you are buying and rehosting the images so that even if they change the initial post, you always have a copy in their thread of what was for sale. This helps settle any argument later about what was and was not part of the deal.
Use the serial number to verify with the manufacturer that any marker you want to buy is not stolen. If it is stolen, turn over the seller’s information to the manufacturer and report the post immediately to PbNation.
If you have little or no feedback and are selling or trading a gun, don't expect people to send payment or merchandise first or even at the same time. If you feel like you can't trust someone, then don’t. If you feel the deal is too good to pass up, ask a mod or admin about 3rd party services. It's worth the extra money to make sure you don't get scammed.
Only trust feedback from the actual seller in their for sale thread. Verify the name is exactly the same and feel free to PM the user from their feedback thread to make sure it is the same person you are dealing with if using the old style feedback.
Do not accept funds over what is owed, especially if they want you to send the extra money with the equipment they are buying. This is a classic scam where the initial funds will prove to be fraudulent and you will owe for the full amount.
Photoshop is a wonderful tool, and often a devious one. Ask for specific pictures. This may seem obvious, but many times people see one pic and that is enough for them. Not only does this help prevent someone from taking the picture from another source, but it also helps to make sure everything is in a condition described.
Don't rush into things. Many times scammers will want you to rush into a deal or ship next-day air. Take time to get all their info and finalize a deal you are both happy with.
If your gun has a serial number, write it down. Take pictures of it. Also make note of every distinguishing mark you gun has. This only aids in the return of you gun if it is stolen.
Keep all your contact logs with the person. PbN PMs, AIM logs, and emails will help with any deals being disputed. Be careful though, as they can easily be faked.
Do not send cash. Ever. Most of the time, it will never make it to it's destination if you send cash in an envelope and then it is gone for good.
If you've been scammed and have proof, feel free to post it here in the Theft Report Forum but more importantly, contact the Police and try to get your gear back.
Check the stickies in the Theft Report Forum. There is good advice there.
Ok guys... In lue of all the recent scamming, including me myself almost being scammed I've decided that writing this may help some people not get scammed....
Here are some simple steps you can take to help you out while trading....
1) Always get Name (first and last), Address (house number, street, city, zip code), atleast 1 working phone number(always get the phone number first and call it before sending anything) All screen names you've talked to them on(PBN, PBF, AOL, MSN, ICQ, ec.)
2) If the person is under the age of 18 TALK TO THEIR PARENTS and make sure they understand what is going on... This will save your *** so they can't come back and say they didn't know what was going on... If dealing with parents get a cell phone number or number from them where you can reach them outside of the home...
3) After you get Name, Address and Phone #, use a source like 411.com to do address lookups to verify that they indeed live there...
4) If you are trading for merchandise over borders like from US to Canada or vis versa make sure you INSURE THE PACKAGE FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUY EVERYTHING NEW.... Now I know this may increase the customs fees alittle but if anything were to go wrong nobody would be screwed....
5) If you have no feedback and are selling a gun don't expect people to send first or at the same time.... If you feel like you can't trust someone ask a mod or admin about 3rd party services... It's worth the extra $20 so make sure you don't get scammed...
6) If someone has what you think is sketchy feedback, check with a few random people on the list..... You could also ask a Admin to do an IP check to make sure there are different people...
7)Always do checks with as many forums as you can..... Just do some simple searches in bad feedback or theft forums to make sure this person is trying to scam your ***....
8) When shipping something you value, I would suggest fully insuring it... Also request a sig. confirmation(this way they can't deny they received it)
9) If you've been scammed, don't hesitate to let the rest of the nation know....
10) Whenever possible, Pay with PayPal, MO, or Check.... This will insure you that you can see who cashed the money....
11) Also guys.. Get there license number.. This will save your *** in no matter what happens.. If they take your gun (Steal/Fraud). Police will locate them. (thanks Pballa14)
12) IF you're shipping to Canada from the states... Make sure you have your money or goods first or that you use a third party... By law in canada, if a person recieves goods with out paying for them first they're considered a gift and the canadian police can do nothing even if you have a 100 foot stack of evidence..
Well after all that I hope this helps someone from being scammed.... Good luck and happy trading....
PS: If someone tells you that they will send you a $2000 MO and you're to keep the agreed amount and then use Western Union to send rest to them and there Shipping agent will pick up the package..... IT'S A SCAM!!!! This is called the Nigerian Scam.... The MO is fake and won't show until 3-7 days later.... Which leaves you screwed because you would have to pay back the bank....