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Old 06-13-2004, 11:45 PM #1
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So now WGP pulls a Smart Parts, eh?

So I always had admired Bud Orr for not going to sur everybody. For being smart enough to see that having a huge aftermarket parts was a plus. That's why I've personally bought three WGP and one PGI Autocockers. And quite a bit of accesories. I've even bought Worr Gas tanks. Now I've learnt that K2/WGP has sent a cease and desist letter to Action Markers saying that they infringes some patents, trademarks and/or trade dresses. But stating nothing in specific. And reminding AM that litigation in Federal Court “can be very expensive”. So yep, like AKA and ICD them must stop making the Illusion.
All I can say is shame on you Bud. You were my idol. I personaly respected and admired you. I actually got four other friends to get Autocockers. Now I see you were an hypocrate all along. You just didn't had the money to go suing everybody.
What can I say now, I guess I will suspend my backordered Blue Stock and order another ULE Automag. It's the least I can do to give money to the people who actually love this sport and are not trying to ruin it. I know the usual marketing driven kids don't give a damn. But they will buy Shockers and Impulses anyway. Goodbye.

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Old 06-13-2004, 11:56 PM #2
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this will be very big news soon....
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Old 06-13-2004, 11:57 PM #3
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he has a patent on a specific form of a marker that HE came up with and was perhaps one of the largest innovations in paintball, and yet you flame him for trying to protect it? I think its fair, its not the same thing as SP at all, they are in it to get money, bud orr is simply protecting himself.
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who gives a **** its called buisnees you all are *******es
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he has a patent on a specific form of a marker that HE came up with and was perhaps one of the largest innovations in paintball, and yet you flame him for trying to protect it? I think its fair, its not the same thing as SP at all, they are in it to get money, bud orr is simply protecting himself.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:19 AM #7
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he has no choice

the problem is, if you dont enforce a patent, it can later be claimed by someone else either as theirs (not sure about that), or as public domain. Simply put, if he doesnt enforce his patents, he looses them.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:21 AM #8
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hes making lots of money now. so i wouldent care.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:26 AM #9
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Anyone hear that? I don't either, you know why? Because it's the sound of no one caring...
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he has a patent on a specific form of a marker that HE came up with and was perhaps one of the largest innovations in paintball, and yet you flame him for trying to protect it? I think its fair, its not the same thing as SP at all, they are in it to get money, bud orr is simply protecting himself.
the problem is, he DOESN'T have a patent nor did he invent the closed bolt system used in teh autococker

the letter states no specific patents
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:48 AM #12
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It doesn't affect you at all! And if it does, it doesn't affect enough people for anyone to care!!!
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I think we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing now, as SP put the frightners on the rest of the PB community.

Frankly, if you've got a product on the market now, and have the patent on it, you'd be stupid not to protect that patent with a lawsuit.

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There only going after the companies that didnt pay loyalty fees on the bodies and other products from what ive been hearing.
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Old 06-14-2004, 01:46 AM #17
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this is . . . . interesting. flame war waiting to happen . . .
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Old 06-14-2004, 02:05 AM #18
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Bud Orr does not own WGP anymore. K2 bought them out awhile ago.
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1. Bud Orr is not enforcing the patent, but the company that just bought him out is

2. He invented the auto cocker, he patnet a long time ago, not like with SP where its a big contesversey on who patent the electro marker and they patent it and was sueing within 2 weeks
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:01 AM #20
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Please read this before posting.

In fact he tried to sue AKA about the Merlin and the judge dissmissed the case because they had _no_ patent, _no_ trademark, _no_ copyright, _no_ trade dress. Then Bud went and got the trademark on his name, Jeff's, Autococker(tm) and 'Cocker(tm). That's exacly what they actually have. I repeat, NO PATENT, NOT SIMILAR NAME.
Have you went and seen the AM Illusion? IT'S A PUMP!!! It's not even close to an Autococker. And the Sniper was an improvement of the Sheridan. Only the bolt back of the Illusion is similar in appearance with the AC. But so is the Omen.
Go read at http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1087019210
Now, I want an intelligent reply. The rest are not the ones that will avoid that this sports became a three or four big marketoid driven market.
Regarding that it was probably K2 and not Bud's decision. It's the first thing he must agree when selling the company. It's actually playing with his name and image. In my view if he's a responsible adult the moment he gives those powers to Marketing and Legal at Big Company he's still responsible for what they do in his name.
Regarding not caring. Some people doesn't care. Ok, just don't care. When you can only choose between a Shocker 06 at $1800, a Matrix 07 at $2000 and an E-Cocker at $1900 and NO OTHER OPTION IN THIS INDUSTRY. Then you'll care. It's just like the consumer interest groups. You think you don't care. But it's a vocal few that keep business straight.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:22 AM #21
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you seemed to care when SP did it, why don't you now?
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