Throwing it out there

dciry289 · 04-02-2013, 03:59 PM

So I have read ( and seen) young players with ether little or no experience show up to the field with the latest gear. Like they are a walking pro shop, brand name 2013 gear and the latest gun. Now there are enough threads out there telling stories about these kinds of kids getting rocked (and personally I always get a chuckle out of them). People have touched on this before but I wanted to see if it was as wide spread thought as I think it is. Is there a invisible "standard" of equipment and gear kids think they need to play. Like they believe if they dress like the pro's they can play like them? Is there a pressure from the older players who maybe talk down to renters or people with lower end guns. Personally I never had this happen, I always had fun with the people at the field and there were always guys willing to bring out an old spyder and play with the young uns. Are we not paying attention to the new guys enough until they are geared out and acting like cocky ****s?

I do not have a clue, just wondering what people think about it. Not trying to start a flame war, all opinions are welcome. And please lets try to keep the fighting down to respectful disagreements of view points.

paintballoliver · 04-02-2013, 04:53 PM

I think, as a new player, when you see someone on the field dominating everyone, they want whatever they have. As a new player, you believe what you are told, x gun is more accurate than y gun, if you get this mask you will be the best player, if you do this then you will win, and they go off of that.
This is to an extent though, whenever I tear up the field with my phantom, I never have a rental player ask to use my phanom, but other players who have egos, dms, nt, ect. get asked if they are pro. New players think the faster they shoot the better they are.

As for the "cocky ****s" I agree with that statement. I did not really realize it until now, but most of the people I remember are the dip ****s on the field, not the nice, reserved players. But that is how it is with everything.

-Lightning- · 04-02-2013, 04:57 PM

It's like when you're younger, your dad tells you an expensive car can beat a cheap car in a race and you believe it. That's the same idea new kids get. The older guys at the field dominating people with high end stuff and the kids think ittl make them better

PistolPaul2 · 04-02-2013, 05:22 PM

I think it's a little bit of all of those reasons. One of my friends little brother who is actually a really good player but when he comes to play he uses a mini and wears JT pants and a hoodie or tshirt so it's not a very high end or expensive setup and the older players (17 y/o) always make fun of him and ridicule him based on his gear. So now he started talking about how he needs the new 2013 gear and what not. Luckily his mother won't just give in and buy him stuff

paintballoliver · 04-02-2013, 06:13 PM

But then once you hit a certain point, you decide to go and "downgrade" your equipment to have a better challenge. One of the many reasons why I play pump, and especially why I play stock class pump.

dps093 · 04-02-2013, 06:28 PM

A little bit of all those reasons, but generally most of the older players are always willing to help out the new players. What I can't stand about these kids decked out all in new gear is when they complain or cry about getting shot. Just makes me laugh as a player, and a referee. I see kids with tippmanns and what not tearing it up out there, and to see that is priceless.

SNAKESNIPER (Banned) · 04-02-2013, 07:39 PM

I'm usually the one who has the newest gear, and I'm sure there's people who think I'm one of "those guys" when I go to play.

My reasoning is simply this: I can afford the nicest gear that I prefer, so I buy it. I may look like a "walking pro-shop", but I can hold my own on the field as well and I play very hard when I'm on my game.

-Lightning- · 04-02-2013, 07:45 PM

And there is nothing wrong with having the newest gear! I have the newest gear, dye from head to toe except tank and mask (due to athsma and breath ability) with a dm13 and all. What's bad is when they brag about it. I don't brag. But when kids with this amazing gear brag about they're stuff that's whats bad.

DerekMorris · 04-02-2013, 08:04 PM

Definitely the local people look down on low end guns on the speedball field.
Like I'm trying to get back into it a little and I still have my good ol' Ion.
When people see an Ion they bug out like it can't shoot paintballs.

-Lightning- · 04-02-2013, 08:08 PM

I honestly don't see the big deal. It's like someone with a Honda getting mad at someone who has a mercedes.

dps093 · 04-02-2013, 08:39 PM

I don't have a problem with people wearing new gear, it's fine. I'm just saying from my experience as a referee, most people at my field who are decked out in all the newest gear usually aren't up to par skill-wise. Usually the real ballers you will see at the field wearing old gear, possibly stained, not fresh-looking new gear unless they are sponsored. That's all I'm saying haha. But I don't really care, anyone is free to wear whatever you want, doesn't matter to me.

texas skeeter · 04-02-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SNAKESNIPER

I may look like a "walking pro-shop", but I can hold my own on the field

I look the same and I suck!!

All Empire'd, Eclipse'd and ego11'd out.

I can afford the newest gear but just not as fast and agile as i used to be when i was younger. I can shoot with the best of em, just not run with them.

Phantom_Dave · 04-02-2013, 08:53 PM

I think it may be a new player comes out and get dominated by an more experienced one. Of course it can not be because he is a better player, it has to be because he/she has better gear (welcome to the Xbox generation). So they get there parents to buy them new gear. Just my 2 cents, but the few times I have seen it, this is the reason.

I have not issues with someone playing in high end gear. If you can afford it and it makes you happy, go for it. But like a lot of sports, skill is a lot more important than equipment. A fast shiny gun and lots of pods of paint does not make you a good player. It may cover up some of your faults, but most of the time you will get rocked by a better player. Even if they are using a $50 gun.

loneassassin · 04-02-2013, 09:09 PM

It's very rare that I show up at a field and don't have at least 10 years of experience over the next most-experienced player (I started in 1993). My approach is simple -- paintball is a game that is 99% mental. I don't give a second thought to what people are wearing, what they're shooting, etc. I know what I can do, and that's all I concern myself with.

Over paintball's history, there have been more misconceptions and downright false science spewed by people who think they know what they're talking about than any other sport I know of. That is the reason you see so many beginners picking up the latest gear. They think it will give them an advantage (can't really blame them -- even some veteran players I've talked to are completely clueless as to real scientific data about marker-performance).

My advice is and always will be to get equipment that is RELIABLE first and foremost, then focus ALL of your effort into skill and strategy. Far too many people think they can buy skill and veterans like me clean the floor with them all day long. My rather humble $.02

hardcorebunker99 · 04-02-2013, 09:40 PM

I guess I'm still a young gun...

But even though I am only 16 I have played a lot of paintball. Every time I go to a field I will see someone (young or old) with the latest heat and guns. I don't have a problem with it. I just don't like that they act like they're top ****. That is one of the main reasons I play pump. To show the "jerks" that money has very little to do with playing.
The only thing I like to have somewhat the latest on is pants. I like the new styles and protection that comes with them.
But all in all I do agree that kids getting dm13 and ego 11's handed to them should really take a second to learn to play a little better first. Nothing makes me facepalm harder than a 14 year old with an axe hiding because he Is afraid to get hit.
I always like seeing the humble players with auto mags and vickers come out and tear it up. Just makes the sport that much more fun!

-Lightning- · 04-02-2013, 09:44 PM

Lol they have an ego 11-
Kid- "Ref my new gun won't shoot. I think they sent me a broken one!"
Ref- *Flips on asa*
Kid- "Oh, um, I tried that, I thought that was it, I just wasn't sure"

PistolPaul2 · 04-02-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by -Lightning-

Lol they have an ego 11-
Kid- "Ref my new gun won't shoot. I think they sent me a broken one!"
Ref- *Flips on asa*
Kid- "Oh, um, I tried that, I thought that was it, I just wasn't sure"

All kidding aside I've seen this happen. The only difference was it wasn't the kids gun, it was his older brother's that he let him borrow for the day

-Lightning- · 04-02-2013, 09:57 PM

Happened to me with my reflex rail. The ultralight Asa requires some force, and my dad insisted I didn't flip it on, and to have someone else help.

Hammar · 04-02-2013, 10:14 PM

Marketing works, especially on them.

SNAKESNIPER (Banned) · 04-03-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by loneassassin

It's very rare that I show up at a field and don't have at least 10 years of experience over the next most-experienced player (I started in 1993). My approach is simple -- paintball is a game that is 99% mental. I don't give a second thought to what people are wearing, what they're shooting, etc. I know what I can do, and that's all I concern myself with.

Over paintball's history, there have been more misconceptions and downright false science spewed by people who think they know what they're talking about than any other sport I know of. That is the reason you see so many beginners picking up the latest gear. They think it will give them an advantage (can't really blame them -- even some veteran players I've talked to are completely clueless as to real scientific data about marker-performance).

My advice is and always will be to get equipment that is RELIABLE first and foremost, then focus ALL of your effort into skill and strategy. Far too many people think they can buy skill and veterans like me clean the floor with them all day long. My rather humble $.02

"Humble"? I hope you were being sarcastic.

rexisme · 04-03-2013, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by -Lightning-

Lol they have an ego 11-
Kid- "Ref my new gun won't shoot. I think they sent me a broken one!"
Ref- *Flips on asa*
Kid- "Oh, um, I tried that, I thought that was it, I just wasn't sure"

Ego 11 has the pops, what exactly are you flipping with your great story?

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Originally Posted by SNAKESNIPER

"Humble"? I hope you were being sarcastic.

No ****. All I ever see is how he is a veteran and mops the floor because he has so much experience.