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Old 07-22-2014, 10:47 AM #1
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V1 vs v2?

So I have an insight and was thinking about getting a vcom or a vis but was a little confused, so what's the difference between the v1 v2 and vis. also what's a good price on them. Thanks.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:55 AM #2
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the VIS engine is the new and improved poppet valve engine. It is much more smooth and efficient than the orgional poppet engine.

V1 and V2 are simply milling styles and grips. The V1 came with grip panels like the original marq, and the v2 came with wrap around grips.

There's also the VCOM engine. This is the spool valve engine. It's very smooth, but isn't as efficient as the poppet valve.

All these engines are interchangeable with each other, so long as you are using a victory, and not the original marq.
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:04 AM #3
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Are we sure he wasn't asking about the differences between the first and second version of the VCOM spool engine rather then a V1 Vic vs V2 Vic?
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Read this:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=4221001
That will get you started.

The only difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Vcom engines are:
1. The Bolt head was simply changed to the same bolt used in the Insight that is a touch lighter and has less area to cause friction and breach wear
2. The pins that hold the shutoff in place are in milled holes so they don't move instead of the slots that they sometimes fell out of.

Both Generations of the Vcom engine shot and performed the same, used the same pressures and grease.

I think that should cover both angles.
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Old 07-22-2014, 12:25 PM #5
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Are we sure he wasn't asking about the differences between the first and second version of the VCOM spool engine rather then a V1 Vic vs V2 Vic?
I was talking about all of it I know almost nothing about them so all info is welcomed.
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Old 07-22-2014, 12:26 PM #6
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Read this: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=4221001 That will get you started. The only difference between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Vcom engines are: 1. The Bolt head was simply changed to the same bolt used in the Insight that is a touch lighter and has less area to cause friction and breach wear 2. The pins that hold the shutoff in place are in milled holes so they don't move instead of the slots that they sometimes fell out of. Both Generations of the Vcom engine shot and performed the same, used the same pressures and grease. I think that should cover both angles.
thanks bpp. Still loving my insight.
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Glad to hear it.
The Insight is one of my favorite markers; The Victory line is right there too. It is a more mature platform, and offers some pronominal performance with the Vcom spool and VIS poppet engine. I feel they also point a little more naturally for me too ... but the Insight and Victory are almost identical in size, making them feel very much alike ergonomically ... although the Victory is a tad heavier.
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Examples of the different Generations and the milling on each.

V1 Victory: Released in 2009



V2 Victory: Released in 2011


Ripper Victory: Released in 2011, 2013 with OLED



Vcom Victory: Released in 2013



VIS Victory: Released in Late 2013

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How many years do we think we have left with this platform? Going on five years now with basically the same size and weight gun with the same grip frame.

Obviously, there has been a lot of other changes with engines, etc. Just curious peoples thoughts.
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I would think there are a lot of legs left for the Victory platform. Bob just released the Vcom and VIS engines last year; the VIS late last year, so I expect we'll see some additional Victories coming.
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:11 PM #11
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Yeah...just kind of thinking about the next step. Maybe a revised internal LPR, shortened grip frame, and maybe a revised engine retention system that shortens up the gun.

You would just think they would come out with something that would still support the same engines, but be smaller and lighter...which is obviously limited by the size of all the engines.
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Tell me more about this Anno if possible.

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Sure. It is a Brown to green fade with olive parts that was then laser etched with the digi-camo pattern. It was built in 2011 I believe for Tim (Tim2thousand4) by the Bob Long Factory. It is gorgeous in person and continues to turn heads every time I take her to the field.
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Thank you. Hope you don't mind but there's likely to be a twin to it before too long.
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Old 07-26-2014, 10:43 AM #15
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Yeah...just kind of thinking about the next step. Maybe a revised internal LPR, shortened grip frame, and maybe a revised engine retention system that shortens up the gun.

You would just think they would come out with something that would still support the same engines, but be smaller and lighter...which is obviously limited by the size of all the engines.
Have you shot a vis?
If not, go shoot one that will keep you happy for a while
I was blown away at how well they shot.
Whats wrong with the lpr?
Shortened grip frame: I like this idea, elaborate for me what you mean.
Some of us prefer longer guns, that being said lighter is always better in my book. Just make the barrel backs out of SS to counter the barrel rise.
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I actually just bought a new VIS. Should be here early next week.

I guess my issue with the LPR is the location...same thing with the solenoid. It forces the gun to be tall and have a lot of extra metal/weight. It really isn't a true single tube gun. We need an electric that shoots like these VCOM/VIS guns that is a true single tube...the size of an Automag.

"Shortened grip frame" I guess is wording it wrong. I like the size of the frame, but would like it to be closer to the engine, so overall the gun is shorter.

As for length...I like the spacing and the distance between the vertical reg and the back of the grip fame...but I would like the back of the gun that extends past the rear of the frame to be shorter...like a GEO.

I guess I basically want a VIS that is the size of a GEO, the weight of an Insight, but with an LPR. A lot to ask...I know.

Why are we still stuck on the 9-volt? I know other options would be more expensive, but what about some kind of rechargeable camera battery? Put the solenoid in the grip frame, use a smaller battery and board, put the HPR inside the bottom ASA, and the LPR inside the vertical reg tube.

Then Ninja needs to put out a 50 CI SL tank that is not a stubby.

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I am hoping for a little more room between the reg and trigger guard so I can get a thumb in with a glove. (I want it stretched another 1/2")
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For those who don't care about having great efficiency or care more about having a marker with the smoothest/quietest shot the Vcom engine is well worth it
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