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Old 07-24-2014, 08:36 PM #85
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Thanks Phazed, Very simular finding to what I had in testing yesterday in the basement. I was shooting real paint though.

In testing yesterday in the basement I saw a 15 FPS DROP when putting the new bolt in which means I had to increase the pressure to get it back to 285. That will decrease efficiency and I suspect increase sound signature, but I was in the basement ... so it was hard to tell. I suspect the decrease in FPS was due to friction caused by the new sail o-rings. Maybe it will free up a bit once broken in. I didn't notice any difference in smoothness between the two bolt systems but I did only have a pod of paint. Saturday will be 2 cases of testing so I'll report back after Saturday.
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:22 PM #86
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I might have to pick one of these up just to get the mass and dimensions so I can turn some rams for you guys.....

Can one of you swap the stock tip onto the new bolt and see how that does? I saw a 10 PSI increase with the Exalt tip on my stock Axe bolt to keep the velocity the same due to the tip hurting the airflow.
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:47 PM #87
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i have to mention this, i used 010 x rings on the new brass ram. it was as smooth as butter. didnt even feel like it needed to be broken in any for me. my old ram and its x rings has about 7 cases on it. i imagine once i break in these new rings some, i would see gains in fps.
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Old 07-25-2014, 12:17 AM #88
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Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing... although I'm using the standard 010 o-rings ... you and those x rings, LOL ... I may have to give them a go.
I'm looking forward to Saturday.
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I am betting they will sell the the bolt tips seperately, like the original ones.
I just got my Insight Dealer Spares Kit and they put a spare Soft Faced Bolt in there.
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I am betting they will sell the the bolt tips seperately, like the original ones.
I just got my Insight Dealer Spares Kit and they put a spare Soft Faced Bolt in there.
Do you think they will sell just the brass ram?
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I don't honestly know. They sell normal ram shaft replacements - give them a call.
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Do you think they will sell just the brass ram?
They do not at this time.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:19 AM #93
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The Exalt bolt tips have been known to provide less flow than an open face Axe tip. If any of you Insight owners have access to an Axe, try a stock tip and compare the results.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:26 AM #94
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The Exalt bolt tips have been known to provide less flow than an open face Axe tip. If any of you Insight owners have access to an Axe, try a stock tip and compare the results.

I just looked at a stock Insight bolt. Why would they switch to the Exalt tip?!!! That's going backwards, IMHO. But it is way cheaper.... Absolutely if someone has an Axe, swap the tips. I bet that FPS drop goes away completely. Might even flow more than the stock bolt, allowing for the lower pressure claim.
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They switched to the exalt tip because it's a simple way to correct the ball stack and it's extremely easy to replace. I'm willing to bet that the tip has nothing to do with the fps loss and everything to do with the weight of the ram.

I'm good with it either way because of the softness of the shot and the ability to shoot more brittle paint. The insight gets rediculous efficiency regardless
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I'd like to put the new bolt with stock Axe tip (of which I have several) on the stock ram. The more markers that I can use an Axe tip on, the better.

Tim or anyone else, if you'd like to sell me a new bolt tip I'd appreciate it.
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They switched to the exalt tip because it's a simple way to correct the ball stack and it's extremely easy to replace. I'm willing to bet that the tip has nothing to do with the fps loss and everything to do with the weight of the ram. I'm good with it either way because of the softness of the shot and the ability to shoot more brittle paint. The insight gets rediculous efficiency regardless

If that was the case, why would the stock tip on the new ram have nearly the same FPS as the completely stock setup? I tested the Exalt tip on their Axe bolt, stock, and Lurker. All had a FPS drop because of it. But we won't know for sure on the Insight until someone tests it.

I am curious as to how the Exalt tip is any different than the stock bolt in where it contacts the balls. Both make center contact, or darn close to it on the stock bolt. It's not like switching from a completely open center bolt like most others use.
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ok, lets test it.
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Interesting.. Standard style bolt tip with brass ram increases FPS to stock levels, but turns out to be MUCH louder.

A couple of you guys should give it a try and tell me what you think
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Tim, let's take it a step further.

Measure the weight of rams and bolt heads independently. Some full on mix and match testing with new and old ram, new and old bolt head, and Exalt and stock Axe tip, plus results would be cool, as well.
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I just ordered some TechT bolt tips to try out too. They look the same as the Axe ones...
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I just ordered some TechT bolt tips to try out too. They look the same as the Axe ones...
They are probably straight from Empire OE Axe bolt tips.

My only concern, and this is strictly due to this application being unknown, would be durability since the rubber bolt tip is also acting as the second supporting oring/seal. It may hold up perfectly fine, it may not.
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I am assuming the idea of the bolt tips is that the softer rubber won't crack the bottom of the ball above in the stack?

Seems crazy to think that little X in the middle of the exalt tips would have much effect....obviously it does.
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Tim, let's take it a step further.

Measure the weight of rams and bolt heads independently. Some full on mix and match testing with new and old ram, new and old bolt head, and Exalt and stock Axe tip, plus results would be cool, as well.
I'm off to work now, but if you guys can get back to me with these results, it would be an interesting find. Thanks!
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I'm going to wait to buy this, conflicting information. YourPBFriend says it lowers your pressure while most people say you have to increase pressure. Higher pressure doesn't seem like it would be smoother.
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