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Old 04-04-2014, 05:10 AM #1
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New gun from Alien paintball: Deception





Introducing the 2014 Alien Deception!

This year we are going to be releasing two models of the gun.
Premium model: $1095
Your choice of colors, OLED Hyperdrive board, Matching barrel kit with 4 barrel backs with a carbon fiber tip. .678, .682, .686 and .690

Base model: $899
Dust black only, LED board, soft case, 2 piece aluminum barrel .686





field testing





The weight of the Deception is right around 1 pound 7 ounces, while that is extremely light it is in no way flimsy! This gun is every bit as rugged and durable as the independence is.



Valving
The Deception is using an entirely new valve, not another "version" of anything that you have ever seen before. It is a "little of a spool" a "little of a poppet" and a "little of neither one". We are calling this the MORPH valve.
The MORPH valve is actuated as with today's poppet markers but the Valve itself is a spool. This gives the Deception an amazingly low sound signature and extremely calm shot that will be extremely gentle on the most fragile paint. Because of the amazing air flow in the Deception, the user can use any air intake from SLP to high pressure.

This year in the Deception there is only 0.2 oz of material moving back and forth as an actuator with each shot. This will lead to a much calmer shot than what was found with the Independence and Invasion series of guns which are already widely known for being very soft shooters and had rammers of 1.3 ounces.


Now without further adieu.....
Here is final version of the gun and the valve system, in Pewter with Black accents



Notice the front grip is a little wider at the front and has a slightly different cut where it narrows to the existing cut on the grip frame and the gun body. Wider for more air storage.
Also the front cap no longer holds the balancing feature but that the valve is a self contained unit.
The valve pin is now Stainless Steel instead of Aluminum, as is the rammer.
The gun at extravaganza had a aluminum insert in the bolt - when that was taken out the ball speed dropped. The gun needed a little more inertia. With the Rammer now about 40% less than the Independence Rammer, the Dwell in this gun is about 7 ms instead of 11ms for Independence.
Front cap is smaller too. Also the spring to close the valve is now much smaller.
One thing that is hard to tell is the new bolt pins now have an aluminum cap that matches the accessory color.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:48 PM #2
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I'm so impatient for a shooting video lol.
The one thing I'd really like to see on ALL guns from now on is spring detents. They just seem so much better to me...
And I know it's been said before but that splash really needs to be a thing
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:55 PM #3
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Ahhh! New thread smell and everything ^_^

Anyway, I'll be posting a first impressions, tuning guide, breakdown vid...the whole 9 yards per-say once I have a deception in hand. Waiting patiently at the moment.

I agree with you to some degree; I do like what J4 did with their detent design, but nobody really knows how it'll perform on the field. I'm certain there will be aftermarket detents (like Killa Detents) for the Deception, or I can try to convince Simon over at Inception to start making some
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:15 PM #4
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I wasnt up at 3 am posting this again..... what.......
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:23 PM #5
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I wasnt up at 3 am posting this again..... what.......
The original thread must have hit over 2,000 posts so the system made a new one...

One of our mods might have deleted this thread by accident thinking it was a duplicate. I undeleted it.
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only update I have is.... well top secret but its good news and im SUPER SUPER glad he waited to release. "soon" is a bad word to use but honestly, its all I can say for sure.
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only update I have is.... well top secret but its good news and im SUPER SUPER glad he waited to release. "soon" is a bad word to use but honestly, its all I can say for sure.
How the hell you gonna say "top secret good news" and not tell us what it is... True evil man...
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How the hell you gonna say "top secret good news" and not tell us what it is... True evil man...
Lol, I agree.
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Don't know if this is "evil" or helpful.
Already known that the body now stores more air.
The valve also has redesigned to flow more air, which made it even quieter.
I do apologize for the delay, but when we got the valve a few months ago, that is when we decided we could balance it, made the bottom tube smaller, and restyled the gun for the smaller bottom tube.
We thought we were done. Then when we got the gun in our hands it was clear that during the months of waiting for the parts that we could now see more that we could do.
Sometimes things are gradual, even not gradual - just adjustment to say you have "improved". But sometimes things take a bit of a leap. Then if you're doubly lucky, after a leap, another "refinement" is possible.
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Jack, seems that alien's method of advancment is not a single marker line, such as an ego or dm that see refinements year after year, but rather new markers that survive 1-3 years before seeing the end of their life (but certainly not their usefulness). You're making refinements to the deception now instead of doing so in "next year's model" which is great but that makes me wonder how long before you move on to your next gun - how many generations of the deception do you think there will be?
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Maybe we should have kept the same name the past 10 years and just gone with the yearly numbering. Instead we did the 2 or 3 years - except for '08 which didn't "need" to go another year.
'05 - 13 variations on the same gun. 14 is the biggest change, however clearly the same concept. Being the biggest change, both in looks and function, I'm thinking it will have the longest run.
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or you could answer my question, thanks for the help. my eyes were focused on the pictures.
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