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View Poll Results: Which loader is better?
Dye Rotor 83 54.61%
Virtue Spire with Spring Ramp 69 45.39%
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:16 PM #1
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Dye Rotor vs. Virtue Spire with Spring Ramp

Which of these loaders will be the best?
I am not worried about the price - I am looking for durability, reliability, maintenance, profile, and overall feeding.
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:52 PM #2
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Please leave a comment if you vote and just let me know why you think one loader is better than the other.
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:10 AM #3
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Well the rotor has withstood the test of time since 2008. It's proven to be extremely durable. The spire is quite new and has some rather nice features however. Just watch Mike ******'s reviews on the rotor and spire. Decide for yourself!
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:50 AM #4
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I've never owned a Rotor myself but have seen and handled plenty with the people I play with. They are pretty reliable but the jamming issue isn't a myth. I've also started to see fewer and fewer Rotors and more Spires in their place at my local field. Everyone I've talked to loves the Spire and has no plans of going back.

I use a Spire with spring ramp. Love it. Light, simple, durable, and it flat out works.
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Old 03-10-2014, 12:15 PM #5
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It sort of depends in my opinion. The Rotor is the more consistent loader at higher rates of fire and the Spire is less prone to jamming. I would probably choose a Rotor for semi-auto play and the Spire for capped ramping below 15 bps. The Spire keeps up fine too, it just doesn't seem to maintain higher rates of fire as consistently as the Rotor. The Rotor also does not jam often (mine hasn't jammed in over a year), it is just by design, more prone to it than the Spire (which will almost never jam).

Another consideration is capacity. If a player is wanting a higher capacity loader, the Spire 260 has the lowest profile to my knowledge and is also a little bit lighter than the high capacity rotor.

Some other pros and Cons to Consider:

Rotor:
+Better battery life
+Simple on off design
-Smaller mouth for loading
-Slightly more prone to jams depending on paint

Spire:
+Quick Lid changing with optional crown speed feed
+Wide mouth for loading
-Spinning issues if not set up properly
-Spire "Fingers" can wear over time.

Prioritize accordingly, they are both be awesome performing loaders that can standup to any level of play. Both are extremely durable and low maintenance. One could argue that the spire is slightly quicker to maintain, but it is honestly so easy with either that we would just be arguing semantics. Both are very low profile with the Spire edging out slightly but again, the difference is pretty small.

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Old 03-10-2014, 12:36 PM #6
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My rotor is durable and can take a beating but they always jam. Every time I go up to the field I hear someone complain about their rotor. My spire on the other hand is awesome and I have no problems with it. It has a lower profile then the rotor and never jams. And also the lid for it is huge!!! You can fit a pod in there.
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Old 03-10-2014, 02:30 PM #7
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If you are shooting Walmart paint through a rotor you are going to be using the unjam lever. If you are shooting quality paint you are GTG. Held a Spire 260 for the first time this weekend. Very small and light for it's capacity...but did not feel as sturdy as a rotor. Look at the Spirte threads below. Appears to still be quite a few teething issues.
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I'm not going to being shooting any more than 15 BPS and I may be using crappy paint (the paint won't be horrible but it's going to be the cheaper field paint)
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:22 PM #9
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I own and use both and I will use my rotor any day over my spire. It's not that the spire is bad, but I have never had any issues with my rotor. I've never had any real jamming issues. I like the consistency, and durability.

I've had my spire jam on me. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. The spire feels about as rugged as the rotor, just shorter and longer, so that's cool.

I like the speed feed on the spire. Large opening makes reloading a breeze. The spire speed feeds are a tad expensive for the virtue ones, but it's well worth it.


All in all it's up to you. Everybody has their preference, but they will both serve you well.
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I own and use both and I will use my rotor any day over my spire. It's not that the spire is bad, but I have never had any issues with my rotor. I've never had any real jamming issues. I like the consistency, and durability.

I've had my spire jam on me. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. The spire feels about as rugged as the rotor, just shorter and longer, so that's cool.

I like the speed feed on the spire. Large opening makes reloading a breeze. The spire speed feeds are a tad expensive for the virtue ones, but it's well worth it.


All in all it's up to you. Everybody has their preference, but they will both serve you well.
I was thinking that I will use my Rotor and if it gives me jamming problems then I'll switch over to the Spire.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:24 PM #11
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I'm not going to being shooting any more than 15 BPS and I may be using crappy paint (the paint won't be horrible but it's going to be the cheaper field paint)
None of my business but the paint is the most important factor. I would set aside money for better paint before anything else.
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:08 PM #12
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None of my business but the paint is the most important factor. I would set aside money for better paint before anything else.
True, I guess it's not horrible paint but I'm for sure not going to be shooting something like Evil on a rec day - mostly midgrade stuff.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:00 AM #13
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True, I guess it's not horrible paint but I'm for sure not going to be shooting something like Evil on a rec day - mostly midgrade stuff.
Good to go, just wanted to make sure you weren't buying expensive gear and then shooting super crappy paint (which is a mistake a ton of people make). The Rotor will handle any decent quality paint just fine. Just don't be shooting misshapen paint and you will be fine.
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I own both and prefer my Spire. It's lighter, has a larger mouth opening, holds more, and doesn't jam.
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I'm weighing these options myself. My hopper just pooped out on me mid game...prety funny seeing plasstic fly everywhere....
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It sort of depends in my opinion. The Rotor is the more consistent loader at higher rates of fire and the Spire is less prone to jamming. I would probably choose a Rotor for semi-auto play and the Spire for capped ramping below 15 bps. The Spire keeps up fine too, it just doesn't seem to maintain higher rates of fire as consistently as the Rotor. The Rotor also does not jam often (mine hasn't jammed in over a year), it is just by design, more prone to it than the Spire (which will almost never jam).

Another consideration is capacity. If a player is wanting a higher capacity loader, the Spire 260 has the lowest profile to my knowledge and is also a little bit lighter than the high capacity rotor.

Prioritize accordingly, they are both be awesome performing loaders that can standup to any level of play. Both are extremely durable and low maintenance. One could argue that the spire is slightly quicker to maintain, but it is honestly so easy with either that we would just be arguing semantics. Both are very low profile with the Spire edging out slightly but again, the difference is pretty small.
I would complete agree with the statements made above. I've owned gen 1-3 rotors and a spire. I've sold all of my ROTORS because for some reason they hate me and jam, but everybody else loves them. I've had zero issues with the spire.

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I would complete agree with the statements made above. I've owned gen 1-3 rotors and a spire. I've sold all of my rotors? because for some reason they hate me and jam, but everybody else loves them. I've had zero issues with the spire.
Did you mean that? ^
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I own both and prefer my Spire. It's lighter, has a larger mouth opening, holds more, and doesn't jam.
Does it have any disadvantages vs. the Rotor?
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Does it have any disadvantages vs. the Rotor?
It doesn't feed quite as consistent at higher rates of fire, has lower battery life, the paddles can wear and the motor will spin fairly random if you do not have the board set up right. Those are the main disadvantages it has over the Rotor.

Rotor disadvantages are: heavier, slightly more prone to jamming, has a lower capacity and a smaller mouth for loading. I will also say that the LED on the Spire is a little easier to see in bright light than the Rotors is.

Now decide what you want and choose. There isn't a right answer. Some people will value the advantages of the Rotor and some the Spire. A lot also depends on what type of paintball you are playing with each. This thread will literally go on forever with opinions back and forth.
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It doesn't feed quite as consistent at higher rates of fire, has lower battery life, the paddles can wear and the motor will spin fairly random if you do not have the board set up right. Those are the main disadvantages it has over the Rotor.

Rotor disadvantages are: heavier, slightly more prone to jamming, has a lower capacity and a smaller mouth for loading. I will also say that the LED on the Spire is a little easier to see in bright light than the Rotors is.

Now decide what you want and choose. There isn't a right answer. Some people will value the advantages of the Rotor and some the Spire. A lot also depends on what type of paintball you are playing with each. This thread will literally go on forever with opinions back and forth.
Alright thanks man, I'll keep that in mind.
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