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Old 03-27-2014, 09:05 PM #43
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Sounds good and all but your paint is making it not worth it
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:17 PM #44
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I appreciate hearing everyone's concerns. Our goal is to put out the best events possible. It's unfortunate that some of you feel that we won't be able to. I hope we will be able to change your minds in the future.
There not "concerns". This has been people that have been around, maybe even played tournaments and and know how a good tournament is run. We are trying to help you understand that yours is well, not so good, in any aspect. Your holding it in a bad area (paintball is becoming non existance), your prices are horrible (ok we get it, YOU want good paint, guess what? It isnt about what you want, people want an option for cheaper paint, especially because your payout also sucks pretty horribly. There is nothing about your current setup that is even remotely entising to me, and i dont even have to travel.
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There not "concerns". This has been people that have been around, maybe even played tournaments and and know how a good tournament is run. We are trying to help you understand that yours is well, not so good, in any aspect. Your holding it in a bad area (paintball is becoming non existance), your prices are horrible (ok we get it, YOU want good paint, guess what? It isnt about what you want, people want an option for cheaper paint, especially because your payout also sucks pretty horribly. There is nothing about your current setup that is even remotely entising to me, and i dont even have to travel.
Ok. I'll bite. What paint price would make it better?

Guess you'll have to wait until October to play for the bigger cash. Maybe teams will show up and grow it more for you.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:49 AM #46
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Sounds good and all but your paint is making it not worth it
What specifcally? Price? Brand? Have you ever shot it before?
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Old 03-28-2014, 05:37 AM #47
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Ok. I'll bite. What paint price would make it better?

Guess you'll have to wait until October to play for the bigger cash. Maybe teams will show up and grow it more for you.
Well if you refuse to let people bring their own, you need to have a good selection of different prices, and i know there is still some stuff that sells for $35 a case. No it may not be quallity stuff, but your customers should still have that choice.

I hope all does go well, but from someone that has been playing for 15 years and gotten around, i just dont see it until you make some changes.
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Old 03-28-2014, 05:59 AM #48
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What tournament series sells paint for $35? We will never offer seconds.
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Old 03-28-2014, 06:05 AM #49
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Gi and empire put out great paint. Mo over at drop zone has 3-4 different paint choices and his is a psp affiliate. Dimension is gi as well and cheaper. Your best is go with one of them offer them at like 50 a case. May draw in more............
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Old 03-28-2014, 06:41 AM #50
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What tournament series sells paint for $35? We will never offer seconds.
Well no offense, but your not exactly a "tournament series" yet. Nobody said you had to do it permanantly either, maybe the first few times to draw in crowds. you need to step back and look at the entire situation as a whole (like ive been telling you ).

1, your in a bad location
2, some of your rules are going to drive some people away
3, your entry fee isnt terrible, but when combined with your paint prices, it sucks
4, when compared to what it will cost to play, your payouts, arent going to draw anyone in either.

The location thing isnt all that bad on its own, sure it would keep some away, but not that bad. On the other hand, when your also charging people a ton to play, with no real incentive at the end . Its not going to end well if you still with how you have it
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:44 AM #51
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Gi and empire put out great paint. Mo over at drop zone has 3-4 different paint choices and his is a psp affiliate. Dimension is gi as well and cheaper. Your best is go with one of them offer them at like 50 a case. May draw in more............
Gotcha. We have a $50 case.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:03 PM #52
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Well no offense, but your not exactly a "tournament series" yet. Nobody said you had to do it permanantly either, maybe the first few times to draw in crowds. you need to step back and look at the entire situation as a whole (like ive been telling you ).

1, your in a bad location
2, some of your rules are going to drive some people away
3, your entry fee isnt terrible, but when combined with your paint prices, it sucks
4, when compared to what it will cost to play, your payouts, arent going to draw anyone in either.

The location thing isnt all that bad on its own, sure it would keep some away, but not that bad. On the other hand, when your also charging people a ton to play, with no real incentive at the end . Its not going to end well if you still with how you have it
Didn't answer my question.

Again as I mentioned, I understand exactly what you are saying. None of this was derived willy nilly. Why is it so important that we are like all other tournaments? Innovation is not driven by conformity. Standing out amongst the masses will not happen by being a conformist. You have to admit, you're talking about it. There are guys from out of state on here putting their two cents in also. Quite honestly, I love it.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:52 PM #53
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Yet all those outta state comments are all saying same thing as us.....
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Didn't answer my question.

Again as I mentioned, I understand exactly what you are saying. None of this was derived willy nilly. Why is it so important that we are like all other tournaments? Innovation is not driven by conformity. Standing out amongst the masses will not happen by being a conformist. You have to admit, you're talking about it. There are guys from out of state on here putting their two cents in also. Quite honestly, I love it.
Like I'm really starting to think you have a learning disability! No one is saying you should be like every other tourney. But your really not looking at it from the players stand point! Who in their right mind would want to play a tourney with a **** cash payout and paying $50 plus cash for paint! Players are jus throwing cash away with no chance of making some back or getting say free entry to next or half off to next event giving players a reason to come back and save some more money. I have played in many tourneys where i can get cases from $32-$40 and guess what its low grade paint (also have gotten high grade for around those prices too!) but still shoots great! And as an example since that was your question up above i have gotten $35 a case at MSXL multiple times the highest I've ever paid for a case in any tourney is $45 and that was due to bad communication between us and our reps. We are not here expressing our concerns but more so giving you guidance to help you and your participants not to go negative! There ya go everything is in BLACK AND WHITE for ya so if you still have a problem comprehending Id advise you to just go back to your drawing board and take a couple years and build your idea!
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Didn't answer my question.

Again as I mentioned, I understand exactly what you are saying. None of this was derived willy nilly. Why is it so important that we are like all other tournaments? Innovation is not driven by conformity. Standing out amongst the masses will not happen by being a conformist. You have to admit, you're talking about it. There are guys from out of state on here putting their two cents in also. Quite honestly, I love it.
really now? it could have fooled me, i would have guessed a 10 year thought it up by how poorly its setup.

so now innovation means making rules no ones likes, attempting to basically rob people and not even give them ant incentive to want to come in the first place? sounds logical.....

yes people are talking about it, but if you can read...its not in a good way. but i guess if that excites you....
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Ok gents. Will keep all of your sugestions under advisement for the June event.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:32 PM #59
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Uncapped rate of fire/mode + 8 player roster = 2 cases/person? (Depends on field layout and how quickly points are played)
$325 registration + a conservative order of 12 cases $600 = $925 with the possibility of winning $500... lets not forget 7 teams are going home with nothing but memories of what could have been. Plus out of town teams have travel expense. I live 15min away so not a problem for me personally. Just seems like a lot for a relatively unknown. The "Webcast" is intriguing and it sounds like you all have invested a lot in this, so I hope it works out for you.
If I can talk some other idiots into joining me than I would give you my money. Simply due to the fact that I live so close it's hard to pass up. I've thrown a lot more money away over the years playing paintball.
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#1. If you are entering a tournament to make money you're doing it wrong.

#2. I love the idea of your non-conformist tournament. This sounds like a blast.
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Not my decision to make. I can say this has piqued our interest though.
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Jesus christ. So much *****ing, even before the first event.
Good luck with the series. Going to try to put together a team for the first open '**** show.'
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