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Old 02-17-2014, 11:08 AM #43
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I much prefer having an aluminum paintball marker.....

But then again, I couldn't care less about the aurora/oil slick finishes.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:33 AM #44
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I much prefer having an aluminum paintball marker.....

But then again, I couldn't care less about the aurora/oil slick finishes.
Honestly, the main reason most modern markers are aluminum is for cost and weight savings. Brass and aluminum have similar material properties. Brass is typically more expensive however, and isn't typically found in as many extrusion shapes as aluminum.

There probably wouldn't be a paintball as we know it without brass bodied sheridan and other "old school" guns.
Most/all stack tubed markers can directly trace their lineage back to a brass bodied gun.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:57 AM #45
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There probably wouldn't be a paintball as we know it without brass bodied sheridan and other "old school" guns.
Most/all stack tubed markers can directly trace their lineage back to a brass bodied gun.
Here, here!

And those brass barrels are STILL some of the best out there!
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:00 PM #46
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Honestly, the main reason most modern markers are aluminum is for cost and weight savings. Brass and aluminum have similar material properties. Brass is typically more expensive however, and isn't typically found in as many extrusion shapes as aluminum.
Brass much more soft than 6065 and 7072, the two most common grades of aluminum used in paintball markers, and much heavier - those are two very big reasons why it isn't used anymore.

It also needs to be plated, painted, or coated to be finished; all of those finishes add significant thickness, fail to cover the interior and may flake without upkeep. Anodic finishes are simply more durable and more comprehensive in their protection of the marker.

Don't get me wrong I love my brass, but for modern markers it just doesn't make sense. Now, if you want to talk about semi-disposable brass sleeves in an aluminum body, that'd make sense.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:08 PM #47
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What we were talking about was a custom run of brass just to take the Aurora Finish, or some other hard chroming.

Not for regular production. It would have to have different tolerances over the entire gun to compensate for the thickness of the finish and otherwise.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:10 PM #48
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I should have said for paintball applications the necessary material properties are close enough to work. You don't necessarily need to plate brass but u would agree that it adds to longevity of the marker and the coatings can be decently thick.

Back to topic though,
I'm really debating between getting a torque or one of Simons axe bodies and tricking out my axe.

I wish I had more money so I could get everything.

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Brass much more soft than 6065 and 7072, the two most common grades of aluminum used in paintball markers, and much heavier - those are two very big reasons why it isn't used anymore.

It also needs to be plated, painted, or coated to be finished; all of those finishes add significant thickness, fail to cover the interior and may flake without upkeep. Anodic finishes are simply more durable and more comprehensive in their protection of the marker.

Don't get me wrong I love my brass, but for modern markers it just doesn't make sense. Now, if you want to talk about semi-disposable brass sleeves in an aluminum body, that'd make sense.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:11 PM #49
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Why not stick with aluminum and go for an electroless nickel plating?

It won't play havoc with the tolerances, and it will hold up better than chrome or traditional nickel plating without maintenance - much better than so-called "aurora" plating.
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It is far to early right now to be figuring this out - the plating is a ways off. Say, months before we can even start looking at how to best do this.

When we do we can look at some of these options. Not a priority.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:29 PM #51
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Why focus on getting the gun out when you can focus on coatings for it?

It's awesome that you guys are keeping everyone up to date and listening to all of our random ideas and put up with us straying off topic so much.

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It is far to early right now to be figuring this out - the plating is a ways off. Say, months before we can even start looking at how to best do this.

When we do we can look at some of these options. Not a priority.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:34 PM #52
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Honestly, the main reason most modern markers are aluminum is for cost and weight savings. Brass and aluminum have similar material properties. Brass is typically more expensive however, and isn't typically found in as many extrusion shapes as aluminum.

There probably wouldn't be a paintball as we know it without brass bodied sheridan and other "old school" guns.
Most/all stack tubed markers can directly trace their lineage back to a brass bodied gun.
I'm a materials testing engineer and work with more aluminum than I care to think about.

The old brass Sheridans were very cool guns, I'd love to have another one.

I'm thinking very hard about pre-ordering one of these.....sitting on the fence right now.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:45 PM #53
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:20 PM #54
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:05 PM #55
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This finish is so
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:07 PM #56
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splash aurora is pretty amazing
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That finish on just the body/barrel front/trigger/ASA with everything else black would be the tits
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We are not allowed to discuss prices in the forum, and like we said before, we have no clue how much that would be, and are not looking to find out any time soon.
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So is that a plating or some type of anodizing? Also needs an exalt foregrip. :maybedodgy:
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I think a polished brass torque would sell incredibly well. Make it so!
I would tend to agree with this statement.
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You can do some cool **** with titanium coatings, fairly, easily. It's lighter and stronger... just saying.



I'd go for a titanium torque.
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You can do some cool **** with titanium coatings, fairly, easily. It's lighter and stronger... just saying.



I'd go for a titanium torque.
How robust is that?

Man I so want it... JOSH MAKE IT HAPPEN please
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