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Old 07-10-2014, 08:01 PM #610
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Just saying that so many shops have held up quotes and then there's things like the back cap milling being crappy and other delays that are outside of the design of the bolt. Just seems like there's "someone" out there creating delays for what is going to be a great product. Jacob, Johnathon and lots of folks that have been in on this thing for a long time now WANT to see it get to the market. It's other outside forces that have created most of the problems. There are companies like Techt that are watching this bolt development evolve. You have to know that they don't want competition. THe thing is that if this takes off (which I really hope it does), then the next thing will be bolt engines in Proto guns or who knows.
Eh.. There have been eyes on this for a while and there are a few projects in development that we know are "borrowing" from us. It is what it is. We release these, kick some butt, and then move on to the next marker which needs some fat man loving.

That sounds dirty.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:52 AM #611
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Ummmm...come a little late into the conversation?
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Is this still moving along steadily? I'm hoping so much that this bolt is in hand by August. I'd like to shoot a ridiculously efficient amount of paint out of my G4 at the 24 Hour Game up here.
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:22 AM #615
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Is this still moving along steadily? I'm hoping so much that this bolt is in hand by August. I'd like to shoot a ridiculously efficient amount of paint out of my G4 at the 24 Hour Game up here.
It is.

We got the bolt engines in and the backcaps were not up to par.

The reps from the shop are playing games with us, but it's "whatever" as we have proof they're not to spec and we have necessary disputes filed.

We are working with multiple places to get quotes for replacement backcaps, possibly revised backcaps to ease machining, and quotes for additional runs from other shops since this place clearly cannot handle what the backcaps.

I can't give you even a vague timeframe as of this moment as we still have not locked in with a machine shop to get the new parts made.
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It is.

We got the bolt engines in and the backcaps were not up to par.

The reps from the shop are playing games with us, but it's "whatever" as we have proof they're not to spec and we have necessary disputes filed.

We are working with multiple places to get quotes for replacement backcaps, possibly revised backcaps to ease machining, and quotes for additional runs from other shops since this place clearly cannot handle what the backcaps.

I can't give you even a vague timeframe as of this moment as we still have not locked in with a machine shop to get the new parts made.
Geez this sucks for you guys...can't get the thing off the ground because of people screwing around with making product.
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Geez this sucks for you guys...can't get the thing off the ground because of people screwing around with making product.
Pretty much. Suck for everyone else too. We just need to keep on it and stay on a path which will let us succeed.
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Pretty much. Suck for everyone else too. We just need to keep on it and stay on a path which will let us succeed.
I know a smart young guy (Jacob) and teach him how to run CNC machines and make them all yourself. That way no one can be at fault except you. No contracts for manufacturing...just you and Jonathon. Doing anno is even pretty easy.
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Old 07-19-2014, 11:15 PM #619
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I know a smart young guy (Jacob) and teach him how to run CNC machines and make them all yourself. That way no one can be at fault except you. No contracts for manufacturing...just you and Jonathon. Doing anno is even pretty easy.
My field backer guy wasn't that receptive of buying machines.

Jonathan was going to have his buddy run his machines once he converted them over to CNC.
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:21 AM #620
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My field backer guy wasn't that receptive of buying machines.

Jonathan was going to have his buddy run his machines once he converted them over to CNC.
Yeah...that works too...just saying skip the machine shops and get them done yourselves.
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Yeah...that works too...just saying skip the machine shops and get them done yourselves.
If that was even a remote possibility we would have started with that route. Sadly, neither of my machines is really well suited for more than very small runs before it isn't anywhere near cost effective. Way too slow.
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If that was even a remote possibility we would have started with that route. Sadly, neither of my machines is really well suited for more than very small runs before it isn't anywhere near cost effective. Way too slow.
Yeah I get that...why I'm averse to buying small CNC machines. When I do buy they will be decent sized and capable of doing some significant work. It costs more, but if anything I don't want to be limited by the machines.
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Yeah I get that...why I'm averse to buying small CNC machines. When I do buy they will be decent sized and capable of doing some significant work. It costs more, but if anything I don't want to be limited by the machines.
My lathe is manual and my mill is a CNC conversion. Neither were bought with the intention of doing anything more than prototyping, custom work, and super small runs. The next machines will be intended for production.
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My lathe is manual and my mill is a CNC conversion. Neither were bought with the intention of doing anything more than prototyping, custom work, and super small runs. The next machines will be intended for production.
We've had this conversation before. I just don't want to see you guys get buried by stupid people that don't care about what you produce. So if that means being able to do all of your own machining, then that's kind of the only choice...right?
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We've had this conversation before. I just don't want to see you guys get buried by stupid people that don't care about what you produce. So if that means being able to do all of your own machining, then that's kind of the only choice...right?
It's interesting.
We have a ton of support from you guys, random people, paintballers in general, and many people in the industry. That doesn't even include our families and personal contacts.

When we said "hey, this sucks and we kinda need some help" a whole host of people jumped up to the plate to offer their aid. It seems as though quite a few have not had the purest intentions. Granted we're looking to spend money, it's unfortunate how some of this has turned out.

At this moment, we are still looking for a place to run the appropriate parts.
We have NDAs signed and prints submitted to multiple machine shops, but we have not received an actual quote besides the original quote we had made for one shop overseas. I know that there are at least two places working on writing up a quote, but it's been a bit slow

Machines are in the future. Near future? That's hard to say. I do have a very valuable contact in the tool and machine industry who has no issue with helping leverage his position to help me (Us). Hopefully we can get the quotes taken care of and such so we can move forward and start looking into the future. It'd be great to own our own equipment, but at this moment, we have more pressing matters.
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Little bit of an update.

Still behind, but slowly making progress.

We received a respectable quote to have an entire run done from a shop we have used in the past. It's significantly more than we'd like, but as we've said in the past, we are able to eat it.

We're going to approach the back cap situation by taking what the machinists we gave spoken with have said and end up making a few different "acceptable" revisions which we will ask them to comment on in terms of their ability to produce it up to our standards. This gives all of us a bit of flexibility.

We also put up a quote for the engines themselves on a large site for quotes, so in addition to the few people we are working with right now, there will be a broader spectrum of bids. Essentially, we're doing everything we can at this point to get the ball rolling. There is always time to make it up in quantity or down the line, so again, cost is not a terrible influence. Time and quality is much more pressing.

I'll be firing off some emails to a few of the machinists we have been speaking with in a bit and then we will wait until Jonathan double checks the backcap geometry we went over tonight. I believe we looked at 4? revisions. The last one was pretty neat. A kind of twisted slot. =p

Anyhow, we're chuggin' along. It's slow, but with all of the comments we have been getting and the expert advice, we are in a better position to get items made that are up to our standards.
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