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Old 10-30-2013, 06:10 AM #1
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Two Fat Guys Bolt Kit Thread

EDIT: (8-12-14) We sent CAD files off to get final quotes for revised backcaps so that we can get them made ASAP. G3 Bolt Head might need to be remade as well. We are unsure as of this moment.

Something, Something, looks like it works in the G5.



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Hola!

I've been working with Jonathan/y0da900 on a few custom projects such as our mechanical ion kit and some crazy drivetrains.

One of the markers that we believe can see some improvement from our designs would be the G3/G4 platform.

Naturally, it would provide increased consistency, efficiency, etc.
Obviously there are other products on the market to fill this niche, but again, we believe that we have a solid design that will help the community.

Part of this would involve pricing. While we know what current bolt systems are going for, what do you guys think would be a fair price for a complete bolt system?

Are there any specific features, etc that you would be looking for?

Which would you want a kit for first? The G4/G3 spec R or the G3?

Any comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your time!
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:11 AM #2
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I vote g3!

I have no idea how to price the bolt system. I know you two have put tons of time, money and effort into it.
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Over 2K posts.. WOW.

After speaking with Jonathan at length last night, we have a pretty good roadmap for rolling out our bolts.

In order to substantiate our claims, I will be hijacking my buddy's store and compressor (shoosh, he doesn't know yet!) over my thanksgiving break. I will be using a 13/3K tank and shooting until it's empty. We will compare our bolt to the stock bolt and the Tech T bolt.

I have briefly discussed having a few stores carry our bolt initially and the goal is to take an initial pre order run + preliminary store orders. After that, we will have runs produced as needed.

In the sake of being honest and fair with what we have said in the past, we are still up in the air as to US manufacturing. This is primarily because of people blowing us off and not necessarily due to the costs, although that does have a factor.

We have a few surprises as well.. if all goes well, ya'll are gonna be pretty happy.


I wonder who here owns a revi or threshold...
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Over 2K posts.. WOW. After speaking with Jonathan at length last night, we have a pretty good roadmap for rolling out our bolts. In order to substantiate our claims, I will be hijacking my buddy's store and compressor (shoosh, he doesn't know yet!) over my thanksgiving break. I will be using a 13/3K tank and shooting until it's empty. We will compare our bolt to the stock bolt and the Tech T bolt. I have briefly discussed having a few stores carry our bolt initially and the goal is to take an initial pre order run + preliminary store orders. After that, we will have runs produced as needed. In the sake of being honest and fair with what we have said in the past, we are still up in the air as to US manufacturing. This is primarily because of people blowing us off and not necessarily due to the costs, although that does have a factor. We have a few surprises as well.. if all goes well, ya'll are gonna be pretty happy. I wonder who here owns a revi or threshold...
Will there be any place online to order?
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Over 2K posts.. WOW.

After speaking with Jonathan at length last night, we have a pretty good roadmap for rolling out our bolts.

In order to substantiate our claims, I will be hijacking my buddy's store and compressor (shoosh, he doesn't know yet!) over my thanksgiving break. I will be using a 13/3K tank and shooting until it's empty. We will compare our bolt to the stock bolt and the Tech T bolt.

I have briefly discussed having a few stores carry our bolt initially and the goal is to take an initial pre order run + preliminary store orders. After that, we will have runs produced as needed.

In the sake of being honest and fair with what we have said in the past, we are still up in the air as to US manufacturing. This is primarily because of people blowing us off and not necessarily due to the costs, although that does have a factor.

We have a few surprises as well.. if all goes well, ya'll are gonna be pretty happy.


I wonder who here owns a revi or threshold...
Good news

Gee. I wonder who owns a Rev-i AND Threshy?......................
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Revi bolt wont be hard to come up with. Regardless of the way the bolt is "switched", it can work in a revi if it works in a G3. Just has a bigger volume for less pressure


New thread smell

edit: With tanks not behaving well when low on pressure (pressure close to the rated output pressure), will you be shooting until you see shootdown over a crono? Different operating pressures will see shootdown at different times.. id bet the stock bolt gets shootdown first.
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Revi bolt wont be hard to come up with. Regardless of the way the bolt is "switched", it can work in a revi if it works in a G3. Just has a bigger volume for less pressure


New thread smell

edit: With tanks not behaving well when low on pressure (pressure close to the rated output pressure), will you be shooting until you see shootdown over a crono? Different operating pressures will see shootdown at different times.. id bet the stock bolt gets shootdown first.
I typically shoot and record velocities until it no longer reads on my chrono. I then count the amount of cycles until it vents.

I could always get a SLP on a 13/3k or a "custom" one made up.. I'll have to Harass the ninja guys
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I wouldnt be surprised if people actually ran SLP on the little tank anyways. I only see them on slow shooting pump guns.
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I wouldnt be surprised if people actually ran SLP on the little tank anyways. I only see them on slow shooting pump guns.
Meh.......depends on the pump. Sometimes they need a higher pressure than what the slp reg puts out. There are likely pumps out there running 300+ psi. I haven't checked my KP yet but I'm guessing that I wouldn't be able to use a all reg for it.
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Meh.......depends on the pump. Sometimes they need a higher pressure than what the slp reg puts out. There are likely pumps out there running 300+ psi. I haven't checked my KP yet but I'm guessing that I wouldn't be able to use a all reg for it.
Ca is right a lot of pumps cant run slp because it doesnt put out enough pressure. U need about 500 psi to safely operate most cocker based pumps. I can use slp on my cocker pump because of how i sprung the hammer and valve. I dont get any shoot down either while im using an autotrigger. So it is possible but its not going to work for everyone else.


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Over 2K posts.. WOW.

After speaking with Jonathan at length last night, we have a pretty good roadmap for rolling out our bolts.

In order to substantiate our claims, I will be hijacking my buddy's store and compressor (shoosh, he doesn't know yet!) over my thanksgiving break. I will be using a 13/3K tank and shooting until it's empty. We will compare our bolt to the stock bolt and the Tech T bolt.

I have briefly discussed having a few stores carry our bolt initially and the goal is to take an initial pre order run + preliminary store orders. After that, we will have runs produced as needed.

In the sake of being honest and fair with what we have said in the past, we are still up in the air as to US manufacturing. This is primarily because of people blowing us off and not necessarily due to the costs, although that does have a factor.

We have a few surprises as well.. if all goes well, ya'll are gonna be pretty happy.


I wonder who here owns a revi or threshold...
Im one of the threshold owner but i sold my rev-i
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13/3k?




Mmmmmmm why not a 68/45?

This generation typically doesn't like to do the math to figure out how many shots it would get off a 68/45 when compared to a 13/3k... Even if you did the math for them, they'd still more than likely would want to see an actual 68/45 in the tests.

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13/3k? Mmmmmmm why not a 68/45? This generation typically doesn't like to do the math to figure out how many shots it would get off a 68/45 when compared to a 13/3k... Even if you did the math for them, they'd still more than likely would want to see an actual 68/45 in the tests. Just my $0.02
68/45 tests seem like they are hardly ever accurate everyone always has there's at "3900 psi" or "4100" due to the cooling effect of when you fill it and let it sit. No one continually gets it to exactly 4500. I just like being able to do the math because most fields only fill to 3000 psi. I don't like guessing how many pods 1000-1500 psi are...
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Testing around thanksgiving for the final tests/performance video/etc.
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