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Old 10-26-2013, 06:18 PM #1
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DP FX valve pin is stuck

I have an air leak out of my barrel. I stripped the entire gun, replaced all of the orings and relubed. Taking a closer look at the manual I realized the valve pin never came out. It is stuck and I can not get it out. I have pressed the valve pin spring against the valve pin so it clicked on but it does not hold when I pull it back out. My pliers are too wide to fit and my tweezers do not have the strength to hold on to the pin.

Has anyone had this issue and had luck fixing it?
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:35 PM #2
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it should come out rather easily however you should not need to take it out.

Have you removed the bolt and looked down into the ram slot to make sure the pin is sticking into the valve?
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:13 PM #3
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Unfortunately I have little mechanical knowledge. Here are photos of above and behind. Again as this was the only part that was not coming out as it should I thought it could be the reason for the leak.



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Old 10-26-2013, 07:15 PM #4
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The valve pin does come out the front, incase you missed that part


Pull off the front cap/volumizer and pull out the spring. The pin will slide out with the spring.

What kind of leak were you having?
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The pin is not coming out the front with the spring. The pin is not coming out the front when gripped with tweezers. Massive air leak is coming out the barrell.

It sounds like you only read sentences 3 and 4 of my original post Fox
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I actually read it and then came back and forgot

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The pin is stock and pushing the ram into the valve wont help?
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The pin is stock. I just pushed the ram forward as far as it would go several times and the pin is not budging.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:43 PM #8
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I have no idea man..

Last time i had an fx in front of me, the valve pin simply came right out without effort.
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Same here Thanks for trying.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:02 PM #10
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Here's something to try...

Take the front cap/volumizer off and take the ram out the back. From the back, you should see the valve and pin. With an unsharpened pencil with a good eraser on top, put the eraser end in the back of the body and carefully slide it to the valve. Look inside and make sure that the eraser is pushing on the pin in the middle and NOT the valve. Now gently push on the pencil and see if the pin comes out the front. Be careful not to damage the valve with the metal on the pencil. It should come out.

On a side note...before you try the pencil, I have to ask something. Have you removed the valve before?
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From the back I can only see the pin. Attempting to push the pin forward with a pencil has no results. The valve has never been removed. Nor has the upper and lower half of the gun been disconnected as that was never mentioned in the standard cleaning and maintenance videos and read throughs I have seen.

Now that I have looked further it looks to me if I separate the bottom and top halves of my gun it would expose the area where the pin and valve interact and I may be able to see what the hang up is. If I am correct is this an area I want to get into as a novice?
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i edited my previous post because i was getting the valve for the fx mixed up with the original fusion. sorry about that. the original fusion had an internal oring in the valve, but the fx does not. sorry about that.

if the valve pin is not moving forward by pushing on it with a pencil, my guess is the valve pin is bent and stuck in place.

it's been a while since i've owned an fx, so im not that familiar with the disassembly of that marker. im not 100% sure (and hopefully someone will correct me if im wrong), but if you separate the trigger frame from the body, i think there is a screw that holds the valve in place.

the owner's manual explains how to separate the trigger frame from the body. if you are not comfortable separating the trigger frame from the body, i would suggest finding someone in your area that is familiar with the fx and can assist you. they are very easy to disassemble, but you have to be careful not to pull on the wiring when separating them.
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I removed the trigger frame from the body. Unscrewed the valve (I think...orange piece with two orings) and there is no apparrent damage. The valve pin however is still immobile.
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ok. since you have unscrewed the orange screw, you should be able to push the whole thing out with the pencil. push it from the back with the eraser and be careful not to scratch anything with the metal part on the pencil.
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Wait a second........stop the presses.

The FX doesn't have a traditional valve in that it is not a separate piece that can be removed. The "valve" opening - both front side and back side - are actually part of the marker body itself....milled and drilled. Therefore, you won't be able to push the "valve" out. Except for the poppet (valve pin) and a black plastic bumper/spacer guide, you've taken the "valve" apart as far as you can, dreadmuppet.

My guess is that the poppet somehow got bent or maybe the black plastic bumper/spacer guide broke and has the poppet wedged in place. With the orange piece you took out after removing the body from the frame, you should now be able to see the poppet shaft running through the center of the hole. If it isn't centered, that's a problem. See if you can use a small screwdriver to push the poppet shaft until it is centered.

If the poppet shaft is centered when looking in that opening, here's what you can try. Take the bolt out. Take the front cap off and the poppet spring out. Take the ram cap off, ram out, spring off the ram, then put the ram back in and the cap back on. Now, the ram should be able to move freely in the marker body. Now use the mass of the ram and inertia and start shaking the thing like a can of spray paint. You can do it slow but be sure that the ram is hitting the end of the poppet hard however you do it. If you want check if the poppet is even moving, you can mark the shaft with a sharpie through that opening that the orange plug was in. Hopefully, this does the trick and you can get the pin out.

If neither of those work, you may be able to find a very small pair of needle-nose pliers and grab onto the poppet shaft through that opening. Grab ahold and see if you can shove the poppet out. Just remember which way you should be going .

Post up and let us know how it goes.
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Still no joy. My table looks like the parts explosion from the manual other then the pin (16) and whatever (15) is are stuck. The pin looks straight as can be. Using the weigh of the ram did not move the pin at all and I do not have a pair of needle nose small enough to fit through where the orange piece was. I am thinking at this point I am going to have to send it to DP.
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WAIT PAUSE

isnt there a screw that needs to be removed that sits near the noid? On the underside of the body

the frame would have to be removed? Something is telling me there is however I might be wrong because when I made this thread I never mentioned it

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WAIT PAUSE

isnt there a screw that needs to be removed that sits near the noid? On the underside of the body

the frame would have to be removed? Something is telling me there is however I might be wrong because when I made this thread I never mentioned it

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3848929

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Nope, no screw to be removed first.


Damn that sucks nothing is working. Got me stumped as to how it could be stuck so tight that it isn't budging. Other than the small pliers, I'm out of ideas at the moment. The other ideas I have are high risk of damaging the marker's internals.
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Yeah at this point I am stopping short of using a metal rod and a hammer . I better let the professionals take a look at it.
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Yeah at this point I am stopping short of using a metal rod and a hammer . I better let the professionals take a look at it.
Yea, that is exactly what I was thinking of too. However, that could easily damage the internals of the marker so...NOT a good idea.
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I guess the good thing is that we are 99% sure that is the leak problem

Noway it couldnt be with it being so jammed in there. Im lost.. Ive never had a singled stacked tube hold onto the valve pin like that.
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